[ RadSafe ] RE: radsafe Digest, Vol 4, Issue 8

Mon Aug 15 10:44:34 CDT 2005

Richard W. Edwards

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: [MbrExchange] RE: AW: [ RadSafe ] Re: "Science" reports
      on	background radiation andhealth (Denis Beller)
   2. Longevity and Radiation (Wesley)
   3. Re: AW: [ RadSafe ] AW: Low level radiation and cancer:
      (Christian Hofmeyr)
   4. Re: Longevity and Radiation (Maury Siskel)
   5. RE: Re: ICRP 66 excerpt and references needed (John R Johnson)
   6. Is there gonna be EPA in YEAR 12005 AC (Emil)
   7. Re: Is there gonna be EPA in YEAR 12005 AC (Sandy Perle)
   8. information on international requirements for disposal	of
      oilfield scale (JGinniver at aol.com)
   9. Re: Is there gonna be EPA in YEAR 12005 AC (Maury Siskel)
  10. RE: information on international requirements for disposal	of
      oilfield scale (John R Johnson)
  11. Re: information on international requirements for	disposalof
      oilfield scale (Roger Helbig)
  12. Re: Is there gonna be EPA in YEAR 12005 AC ( Dimiter Popoff )
  13. RE: Is there gonna be EPA in YEAR 12005 AC (Fritz A. Seiler)
  14. Re: Is there gonna be EPA in YEAR 12005 AC (jjcohen at prodigy.net)
  15. Re: Is there gonna be EPA in YEAR 12005 AC (Jim Hardeman)
  16. Re: information on international requirements for	disposalof
      oilfield scale (Syd H. Levine)
  17. Re: information on international requirements	fordisposalof
      oilfield scale (Syd H. Levine)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:24:13 -0700
From: Denis Beller <beller at egr.unlv.edu>
Subject: Re: [MbrExchange] RE: AW: [ RadSafe ] Re: "Science" reports
	on	background radiation andhealth
To: mbrexchange at list.ans.org, "John Jacobus" <crispy_bird at yahoo.com>,
	Rainer.Facius at dlr.de, maurysis at ev1.net
Cc: cdn-nucl-l at mailman1.cis.mcmaster.ca, radsafe at radlab.nl
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.0.20050810121906.053b32b8 at mail.egr.unlv.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

Editors of some publications remove citations after review of the paper so 
their readers can read their magazine without getting bogged down. My essay 
in Foreign Affairs had more than a hundred citations when submitted. I 
think they left just one, which was in the main body of the text, for 
publication. FA is for politicians and Wall Street, although the review 
board is full of renowned scientists. If that is the case with Science mag, 
it may not be intended for scientists.

Denis 

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:58:32 -0500
From: "Wesley" <wesvanpelt at att.net>
Subject: [ RadSafe ] Longevity and Radiation
To: <radsafe at radlab.nl>
Message-ID: <mailman.169.1123915890.31384.radsafe at radlab.nl>
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Radsafers,

I have been thinking of "longevity" and how one would do epidemiology with this parameter.

I suppose longevity is average age of death for a group of people such as residents of a county or state or country.

But longevity would be highly dependent on average age of the group. In an extreme example, take county A and B. If all people over age 50 in county A moved to county B. And all people under age 50 in county B moved to county A. Then the longevity in county A must be well under 50 and in county B the longevity would be well above 50. This would be independent of environmental conditions and average health status of the residents.

So how would you correct "longevity" for average age in a group?

Just thinking out loud on a hot summer day.

Regards, Wes

Wesley R. Van Pelt, PhD, CIH, CHP
Wesley R. Van Pelt Associates, Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On Behalf Of Muckerheide, James
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:43 PM
To: Bernard Cohen; John Jacobus
Cc: Rainer.Facius at dlr.de; blc at pitt.edu; radsafe at radlab.nl; cdn-nucl-l at mailman1.cis.mcmaster.ca; mbrexchange at list.ans.org
Subject: RE: AW: AW: AW: [ RadSafe ] Re: "Science" reports on backgroundradiation andhealth

Hi Bernie,

CDC Wonder has longevity data.  But those results were done with your radon data (and the EPA radon data?) a couple of years ago by Ruth Sponsler.  Did that ever get pub'd?

Regards, Jim Muckerheide

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:20:03 +0200
From: "Christian Hofmeyr" <chris.hofmeyr at webmail.co.za>
Subject: Re: AW: [ RadSafe ] AW: Low level radiation and cancer:
To: Bernard Cohen <blc+ at pitt.edu>
Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl
Message-ID: <web-3658971 at cgp7.sentechsa.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"

Dear Prof Cohen,
I intend voicing my concerns as soon as practicable, but
the Radsafe format (text) inhibits proper arguments substantiated by diagrams. It might still take some time.

Incidentally, my (general) remark referred to the last paragraph of my previous posting, which is relevant to your study as well as epidemiological ones:

"Another problem is the effect of confounding changes in lifestyle with time. Particularly lung cancer is very problematic in this regard. The SEER statistics for the USA show a very large gender differential in mortality of almost a factor 5 during the 1970s, which narrowed dramatically subsequently due to a levelling out and slight decline of male lung cancer mortality, coupled with a simultaneous steep rise in female LC mortality since the 1970s. These dramatic changes are most probably due to changing smoking behaviour. This should give an indication of the problems confronting domestic radon studies."

Regards
Chris.Hofmeyr at webmail.co.za

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:26:40 -0400
 Bernard Cohen <blc+ at pitt.edu> wrote:
>
>
>Christian Hofmeyr wrote:
>
>>Rainer,
>>Thanks for your response.  I think we agree on important points.  What 
>>I wanted to emphasise is that the most sensitive direct test of LNT 
>>can be devised by its prediction regarding collective dose, probably 
>>in the framework of an ecological study.  I am very respectful
>of
>>prof Cohen's work on radon (per implication based on collective lung 
>>dose) and his willingness to make his
>data
>>available for scrutiny. However, as I tried to point out
>in
>>a closing remark, there are IMO serious problems
>concerning
>>particularly lung cancer, and I intend to comment more in
>>due course.
>>  
>>
>---Please let me know as soon as practcal about these
>"serious problems"
>

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:35:36 -0500
From: Maury Siskel <maurysis at ev1.net>
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Longevity and Radiation
To: wesvanpelt at att.net
Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl
Message-ID: <42FD0818.2070707 at ev1.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Wes, you suggest profound new meanings to the old adage that says, 
"Smoking is one of the leading causes of statistics."   <g>
Cheers,
Maury&Dog   (Maury Siskel    maurysis at ev1.net)

===================
Wesley wrote:

>Radsafers,
>
>I have been thinking of "longevity" and how one would do epidemiology 
>with this parameter.
>
>I suppose longevity is average age of death for a group of people such 
>as residents of a county or state or country.
>
>But longevity would be highly dependent on average age of the group. In 
>an extreme example, take county A and B. If all people over age 50 in 
>county A moved to county B. And all people under age 50 in county B 
>moved to county A. Then the longevity in county A must be well under 50 
>and in county B the longevity would be well above 50. This would be 
>independent of environmental conditions and average health status of 
>the residents.
>
>So how would you correct "longevity" for average age in a group?
>
>Just thinking out loud on a hot summer day.
>
>Regards, Wes
>
>Wesley R. Van Pelt, PhD, CIH, CHP
>Wesley R. Van Pelt Associates, Inc.
>  
>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:19:20 -0700
From: John R Johnson <idias at interchange.ubc.ca>
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Re: ICRP 66 excerpt and references needed
To: James Salsman <james at bovik.org>, radsafe at radlab.nl
Message-ID: <FCENJPOCLBJKKLPINJIKKEEACGAA.idias at interchange.ubc.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

James and other radsafers

I don't have an electronic version. What I did have were drafts but they were "deleted" many years ago.

The ones at http://www.bovik.org are a useful addition.

John
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-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl]On
Behalf Of James Salsman
Sent: August 11, 2005 7:48 PM
To: radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: [ RadSafe ] Re: ICRP 66 excerpt and references needed

> Does anyone have access to an electronic, e.g. PDF, copy
> of International Commission on Radiological Protection Publication 66 
> (Annals of the ICRP, vol. 24, nos. 1-3, 1994)?

Perhaps ICRP Committee 2 Resperatory Tract Model Task Group member and semi-frequent RADSAFE participant J.R. Johnson does.

> In particular, I need the full text of the section beginning, "As 
> extremely small, 'ultrafine' particles approach molecular size they 
> tend to behave more like a vapour" -- along with the full citations to 
> any reference inside of that excerpt....

That would be section 6.1.2 in:
  http://www.bovik.org/du/icrp-66-6.pdf

The references are in:
  http://www.bovik.org/du/icrp-66-10refs.pdf

> Electronic sections are on Science Direct if you have access
> at:  http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/01466453

Sincerely,
James Salsman
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:18:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Emil <kerrembaev at yahoo.com>
Subject: [ RadSafe ] Is there gonna be EPA in YEAR 12005 AC
To: radsafe at radlab.nl
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Greetings,

I am just wondering how many folks, seriously, believe that there gonna be EPA or NRC or DOE or even State of Nevada...... in year 12005. Look back in the history and you will see the future.. No one State or Country was able to exist longer then...what couple or three thousands of years. China comes to mind, first. As matter of gambling, since Yacca Mountain is near Las Vegas, what odds of that? ZERO I would NOT bet on that!

I know, I may be missing the point but, hey, in year 12005, there wont be Califonia and Pacific Beach will be somewhere close the Vegas anyway. I would put my bet on that.

Happy weekend every one:-)

Emil.

> -- Loux said the EPA defended a separate groundwater radiation
> standard for the Yucca Mountain Project in court last year when
> sued 
> by the nuclear industry. However, he said the EPA abandoned any 
> groundwater protection standard for Yucca after 10,000 years, the 
> very time when the repository is expected to leak. It did this,
> Loux 
> added, even though a court ruled last summer that cutting standards
> 
> off at 10,000 years was arbitrary and impermissible.
> 

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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:29:07 -0700
From: "Sandy Perle" <sandyfl at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Is there gonna be EPA in YEAR 12005 AC
To: radsafe at radlab.nl,              Emil <kerrembaev at yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42FCC043.5093.B5D7FA at localhost>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On 12 Aug 2005 at 15:18, Emil wrote:

> I am just wondering how many folks, seriously, believe that there 
> gonna be EPA or NRC or DOE or even State of Nevada...... in year 
> 12005.

About as much chance that I'll win the next largest Powerball 
jackpot!

-------------------------------------
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Senior Vice President, Technical Operations
Global Dosimetry Solutions, Inc.
2652 McGaw Avenue
Irvine, CA 92614 

Tel: (949) 296-2306 / (888) 437-1714  Extension 2306
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:51:33 EDT
From: JGinniver at aol.com
Subject: [ RadSafe ] information on international requirements for
	disposal	of oilfield scale
To: radsafe at radlab.nl
Message-ID: <1ef.41dbd17a.302e81f5 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Does anyone know of any good reference material for the handling disposal  of 
oilfield scale around the world?  There was quite a good study published  by 
the EU, but this only covered Europe.  Does any one know of any  publications 
that provide details for other parts of the globe?  I  understand that many 
areas have oilfield scale which is much more radioactive  than that associated 
with the North Sea.  Consequently the handling/storage  and disposal issues 
must be more significant.

Any pointers would be appreciated.

Regards Julian

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:52:21 -0500
From: Maury Siskel <maurysis at ev1.net>
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Is there gonna be EPA in YEAR 12005 AC
To: Emil <kerrembaev at yahoo.com>, RobinSiskel <eclectk1 at aol.com>
Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl
Message-ID: <42FD2825.6050202 at ev1.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Thinking long and frivolously about the year 12005 ... until Jake 
looked  on quizzically and asked what was going on. When told, he 
snorted indignantly and suggested forget it,  let's go find a bone. The 
wisdom of that dog frequently amazes me.
Cheers for a nice weekend,
Maury&Dog
=================
Emil wrote:

>Greetings,
>
>I am just wondering how many folks, seriously, believe that there gonna 
>be EPA or NRC or DOE or even State of Nevada...... in year 12005. Look back in the history and you will see the future.. No one State or Country was able to exist longer than...what couple
>  
>
----------  snipped ----------

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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:20:51 -0700
From: John R Johnson <idias at interchange.ubc.ca>
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] information on international requirements for
	disposal	of oilfield scale
To: JGinniver at aol.com, radsafe at radlab.nl
Message-ID: <FCENJPOCLBJKKLPINJIKMEECCGAA.idias at interchange.ubc.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Julian

The ANSI/HPS N13.53 Standard on Technologically Enhanced Naturally Occuring Radioactive Material has some good information. I've been told that the May 2005 "final draft" will be posted soon.

John
 _________________
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*****
or most mornings
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-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl]On
Behalf Of JGinniver at aol.com
Sent: August 12, 2005 3:52 PM
To: radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: [ RadSafe ] information on international requirements for disposal of oilfield scale

Does anyone know of any good reference material for the handling disposal of oilfield scale around the world?  There was quite a good study published  by the EU, but this only covered Europe.  Does any one know of any publications that provide details for other parts of the globe?  I  understand that many areas have oilfield scale which is much more radioactive  than that associated with the North Sea.  Consequently the handling/storage  and disposal issues must be more significant.

Any pointers would be appreciated.

Regards Julian
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:24:49 -0700
From: "Roger Helbig" <rhelbig at california.com>
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] information on international requirements for
	disposalof oilfield scale
To: <JGinniver at aol.com>
Cc: radsafe <radsafe at radlab.nl>
Message-ID: <01da01c59f95$87b42200$be4d5142 at roger1>
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This is an interesting question and one that might also tie in with the claims of DU contamination of Iraq .. what about the oilfield scale in the Mideast?

Thanks.

Roger Helbig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <JGinniver at aol.com>
To: <radsafe at radlab.nl>
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 3:51 PM
Subject: [ RadSafe ] information on international requirements for disposalof oilfield scale

Does anyone know of any good reference material for the handling disposal  of 
oilfield scale around the world?  There was quite a good study published  by 
the EU, but this only covered Europe.  Does any one know of any  publications 
that provide details for other parts of the globe?  I  understand that many 
areas have oilfield scale which is much more radioactive  than that associated 
with the North Sea.  Consequently the handling/storage  and disposal issues 
must be more significant.

Any pointers would be appreciated.

Regards Julian

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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 02:35:46 +0300
From: " Dimiter Popoff " <didi at tgi-sci.com>
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Is there gonna be EPA in YEAR 12005 AC
To: <radsafe at radlab.nl>
Message-ID: <20050812233546.11704.qmail at server318.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-5"

Hmmm, it strikes me that Jerry ( http://tgi-sci.com/tgi/jerry.gif ) also has often been wiser (and sometimes even more intelligent....) 
than many people I knew ....

Dimiter

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-------Original Message-------
> From: Maury Siskel <maurysis at ev1.net>
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Is there gonna be EPA in YEAR 12005 AC
> Sent: Aug 13 '05 01:52
> 
>  Thinking long and frivolously about the year 12005 ... until Jake  
> looked  on quizzically and asked what was going on. When told, he  
> snorted indignantly and suggested forget it,  let's go find a bone. 
> The  wisdom of that dog frequently amazes me.  Cheers for a nice 
> weekend,  Maury&Dog
>  =================
>  Emil wrote:
>  
>  >Greetings,
>  >
>  >I am just wondering how many folks, seriously, believe that there 
> gonna be EPA or NRC or DOE or even State of Nevada...... in year 12005. Look back in the history and you will see the future.. No one State or Country was able to exist longer than...what couple  >
>  >
>  ----------  snipped ----------
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:00:20 -0600
From: "Fritz A. Seiler" <faseiler at nmia.com>
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Is there gonna be EPA in YEAR 12005 AC
To: "'Sandy Perle'" <sandyfl at earthlink.net>, <radsafe at radlab.nl>,
	"'Emil'" <kerrembaev at yahoo.com>
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Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

Sandy,

Are you sure the probability is that high? Or does that number not assume implicitly that mankind will not learn anything basic in the next 10,000 years?  To judge the likelihood of that, just look at the changes we have experienced in in the last 100 years!  When I do that, I have to stop myself from going into gales  -- if not convulsions  --  of laughter! 

 :-))

Best regards

Fritz 

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-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On Behalf Of Sandy Perle
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 4:29 PM
To: radsafe at radlab.nl; Emil
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Is there gonna be EPA in YEAR 12005 AC

On 12 Aug 2005 at 15:18, Emil wrote:

> I am just wondering how many folks, seriously, believe that there
> gonna be EPA or NRC or DOE or even State of Nevada...... in year 
> 12005.

About as much chance that I'll win the next largest Powerball 
jackpot!

-------------------------------------
Sandy Perle
Senior Vice President, Technical Operations
Global Dosimetry Solutions, Inc.
2652 McGaw Avenue
Irvine, CA 92614 

Tel: (949) 296-2306 / (888) 437-1714  Extension 2306
Fax:(949) 296-1144

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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:10:07 -0700
From: <jjcohen at prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Is there gonna be EPA in YEAR 12005 AC
To: "Maury Siskel" <maurysis at ev1.net>, "Emil" <kerrembaev at yahoo.com>,
	"RobinSiskel" <eclectk1 at aol.com>
Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl
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Dear All,
    I can't understand why you are picking on the poor EPA. I can see there are a lot of soreheads on radsafe who still believe that radiation criteria ought to  based on science and logic. Shame oh you!
    The people at EPA have done a fine job with the Yucca Mountain standards. They are  still employed  at EPA, aren't they?

Jerry C

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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:11:51 -0400
From: "Jim Hardeman" <Jim_Hardeman at dnr.state.ga.us>
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Is there gonna be EPA in YEAR 12005 AC
To: <radsafe at radlab.nl>
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Dimiter *

Jerry certainly looks wiser ... and like he has a far better personality (or should I say "felinality"?) than MOST people I know.

Jim

>>> "Dimiter Popoff" <didi at tgi-sci.com> 8/12/2005 19:35:46 >>>

Hmmm, it strikes me that Jerry ( http://tgi-sci.com/tgi/jerry.gif ) also has often been wiser (and sometimes even more intelligent....) 
than many people I knew ....

Dimiter

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-------Original Message-------
> From: Maury Siskel <maurysis at ev1.net>
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Is there gonna be EPA in YEAR 12005 AC
> Sent: Aug 13 '05 01:52
> 
>  Thinking long and frivolously about the year 12005 ... until Jake  
> looked on quizzically and asked what was going on. When told, he  
> snorted indignantly and suggested forget it, let's go find a bone. The  
> wisdom of that dog frequently amazes me.  Cheers for a nice weekend,
>  Maury&Dog
>  =================
>  Emil wrote:
>  
>  >Greetings,
>  >
>  >I am just wondering how many folks, seriously, believe that there 
> gonna be EPA or NRC or DOE or even State of Nevada...... in year 
> 12005. Look back in the history and you will see the future.. No one 
> State or Country was able to exist longer than...what couple  >  >
>  ---------- snipped ----------
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 01:49:37 -0500
From: "Syd H. Levine" <syd.levine at mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] information on international requirements for
	disposalof oilfield scale
To: <JGinniver at aol.com>,	<radsafe at radlab.nl>
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Check this site:
http://www.iogcc.state.ok.us/norm/index.cfm

Syd H. Levine
AnaLog Services, Inc.
Phone:  270-276-5671
Telefax:  270-276-5588
E-mail:  analog at logwell.com
URL:  www.logwell.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <JGinniver at aol.com>
To: <radsafe at radlab.nl>
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 5:51 PM
Subject: [ RadSafe ] information on international requirements for 
disposalof oilfield scale

> Does anyone know of any good reference material for the handling 
> disposal
> of
> oilfield scale around the world?  There was quite a good study published 
> by
> the EU, but this only covered Europe.  Does any one know of any 
> publications
> that provide details for other parts of the globe?  I  understand that 
> many
> areas have oilfield scale which is much more radioactive  than that 
> associated
> with the North Sea.  Consequently the handling/storage  and disposal 
> issues
> must be more significant.
>
> Any pointers would be appreciated.
>
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 01:51:55 -0500
From: "Syd H. Levine" <syd.levine at mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] information on international requirements
	fordisposalof oilfield scale
To: "Roger Helbig" <rhelbig at california.com>,	<JGinniver at aol.com>
Cc: radsafe <radsafe at radlab.nl>
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I am not certain, but I would wager it is mostly ignored in that area.

Syd H. Levine
AnaLog Services, Inc.
Phone:  270-276-5671
Telefax:  270-276-5588
E-mail:  analog at logwell.com
URL:  www.logwell.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Helbig" <rhelbig at california.com>
To: <JGinniver at aol.com>
Cc: "radsafe" <radsafe at radlab.nl>
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] information on international requirements 
fordisposalof oilfield scale

This is an interesting question and one that might also tie in with the 
claims of DU contamination of Iraq .. what about the oilfield scale in the 
Mideast?

Thanks.

Roger Helbig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <JGinniver at aol.com>
To: <radsafe at radlab.nl>
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 3:51 PM
Subject: [ RadSafe ] information on international requirements for 
disposalof oilfield scale

Does anyone know of any good reference material for the handling disposal 
of
oilfield scale around the world?  There was quite a good study published  by
the EU, but this only covered Europe.  Does any one know of any 
publications
that provide details for other parts of the globe?  I  understand that many
areas have oilfield scale which is much more radioactive  than that 
associated
with the North Sea.  Consequently the handling/storage  and disposal issues
must be more significant.

Any pointers would be appreciated.

Regards Julian

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