AW: [ RadSafe ] Re: LNT/threshold/hormesis - what do HPs really

[John Jacobus]

Of course, the poll is only a reflection of the
sampling group.  There is a story that a telephone
poll was conducted of the 1932 election between FDR
and Herbert Hoover.  Herbert Hoover won the poll, as
only rich people could afford telephones during the
Great Depression.  (This is an ancedotal story, so do
not take it seriously.)  A poll taken on RADSAF would
only apply to those who subscribe to RADSAF.  And
cared enough to vote.

Rainer, I agree that the issues around the LNT and
hormesis is not about scientific truth.  They are
models of dose response, and neither rise to level of
a scientific theory.

--- Rainer.Facius at dlr.de wrote:

> My first impulse was to concur. Majorities don't
> count. Approaches to new scientific truth initially
> always were promoted by a minority or even an
> individual!  
> 
> But! This hassle around LNT/Hormesis is NOT a matter
> of scientific truth either, so why not demonstrate
> that BEIR VII-2 represents a minority position.
> 
> But then, you can anticipate the 'bludgeon'
> argument: We are all paid stakeholders.
> 
> So finally and sadly, it would be a wasted effort.
> 
> Dr. Rainer Facius
> German Aerospace Center
> Institute of Aerospace Medicine
> Linder Hoehe
> 51147 Koeln
> GERMANY
> Voice: +49 2203 601 3147 or 3150
> FAX:   +49 2203 61970
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] Im Auftrag von
> Bradt, Clayton (LABOR)
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 20. Juli 2005 17:18
> An: radsafe at radlab.nl
> Betreff: [ RadSafe ] Re: LNT/threshold/hormesis -
> what do HPs really
> 
> I think such a poll would be a bad idea.  There is
> no such thing as a "scientific consensus". Science
> has no truck with opinion polls. Science is not a
> democracy. In science it only takes one person to be
> right no matter how many others disagree. 
> 
> A poll of HPs on their position on the LNT question
> can only be used for ill.  No good will come of it. 
> It is best not to ask.
> 
> Clayton J. Bradt, CHP
> Principal Radiophysicist
> NYS Dept. of Labor
> phone: (518) 457 1202
> fax:     (518) 485 7406
> e-mail: clayton.bradt at labor.state.ny.us
> 
>  
> 
>
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> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:56:11 -0400
> From: "A  Karam" <paksbi at rit.edu>
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] LNT/threshold/hormesis - what
> do HPs really
> 	think?
> To: <radsafe at radlab.nl>
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> It seems to me that, on Radsafe, we seem to hear
> more from HPs and radiation biologists who favor a
> non-LNT model, while the writings of BEIR, NCRP, and
> ICRP tend to favor LNT.
> 
> I am wondering if anyone has done a poll of health
> physicists and radiation biologists to find out what
> the consensus is, when we remove the audience factor
> and just go after pure scientific opinion, divorced
> from identities.
> 
> Is there anyone interested in (and willing to) set
> up a poll on this matter?  I would think that some
> parameters should include anonymity of the
> resondent, some sort of check to prevent multiple
> voting, and (if
> possible) a restriction to radiation safety and
> radiation biology professionals (as opposed to
> uninformed, but ardent amateurs).
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Andy
> 
> P. Andrew Karam, Ph.D, CHP
> 
> Research Assistant Professor
> 
> Rochester Institute of Technology
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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-- John
John Jacobus, MS
Certified Health Physicist
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