[ RadSafe ] Clarification: RE: Cohen, Hiserodt, Rockwell speak at DDT, Portland, Aug 5

Jane Orient jorient at mindspring.com
Sat Jul 1 13:00:53 CDT 2006

DDP is very concerned about overstating the hazards of low-dose radiation,
but it is important to remember that the dangers of high-dose radiation are
not in dispute. After a nuclear detonation, fallout is intensely
radioactive; fortunately, it decays rapidly. In most areas, it would be safe
to emerge from shelter, at least part of the time, after two weeks. Without
shelter from fallout, millions will die agonizing-and completely
preventable-deaths. There is no pill, or vitamin, however: shelter is
absolutely necessary. The means to measure radiation is also critical. DDP
makes available materials from early U.S. government research on civil
defense. Most important is Cresson Kearny's book Nuclear War Survival
Skills, originally published by Oak Ridge National Laboratory. Please see
our website for a link to a free download: www.oism.org/ddp.


I hope that Taiwan has better civil defense than the U.S.!



From: yuan-chi luan [mailto:nbcsoc at hotmail.com] 
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Subject: RE: Cohen, Hiserodt, Rockwell speak at DDT, Portland, Aug 5



Dear Dr Howard Long:

I am glad to know my respective friends, Drs B. Cohen, Ed hiserodt and Ted
Rockwell will present lectures in DDP meeting, and you mentioned
particularly it might be worth for me to go there from Taiwan. I guest the
DDP mission is quite similar to the NBC Society in Taiwan, as the consutant
of the Society, I certainly want to go there. But I am sorry to say that an
old man like me is not easy to go such long way, and I have to prepare here
the papers for the meeting in September in China and 15 PBNC in Oct in

Though I could not go to DDP personally, but I still like to give some
thought for my  friends to consider. The  radiation protection of people
against fallout after nuclear attack is often considered as a serious
problem to people in the past. we  believe today it is not a hazard to
people. When the nuclear weapon exploded in the air, most fallout will
drifted away and fall in a large space in the earth, the radiation from the
fission products in the fallout will give off only  chronic radaition which
will benefit people, their cancer deaths rate will be reduced. When the
weapon explodes on the surface of the ground, or under ground, a big crater
will be produced, and the fallout will fall back to the ground, the
radiation from the fission products will be shielded to be  chronic
radiation and will be also beneficial to people. If my thought is right, the
fallout pretection princinple should be changed. the earth contaminated by
fallout nothing need to be done.     .       

Best regards

Y.C. Luan   Consultant of NBC Society in Taiwan


From:  howard long <hflong at pacbell.net>
To:  yuan-chi luan <nbcsoc at hotmail.com>, blc+ at pitt.edu, rad-sci-l at WPI.EDU,
Jane Orient <jorient at mindspring.com>, radsafe at radlab.nl
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hjren at iner.gov.tw, mlshen at ccms.ntu.edu.tw, mcshieh at gmail.com,
wuj at aruplab.com, johntm.wu at msa.hinet.net, slyao at ms47.hinet.net,
jingying at ms22.hinet.net
Subject:  Cohen, Hiserodt, Rockwell speak at DDT, Portland, Aug 5
Date:  Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:17:47 -0700 (PDT)


"Understanding the Radioactive waste Problem" (B Cohen),


"Health Hazards of the Radiation Phobia" (Ed Hiserodt),


"Truth and Nuclear Radiation" (Ted Rockwell) and


George Gilder (lunch talk) speak to DDP and take questions


 Sat PM Aug 5 at University Place, Portland State U


Full program and details (incl Mt St Helens tour Fri Aug4 ) at



All welcome. Yuan-chi luan, it might even be worth a trip from China,
considering most speakers also take the bus trip and enjoy visiting with
guests like health physicists. 


"Overbooked. If there is sufficient demand, we'll get a second bus".


Howard Long
yuan-chi luan <nbcsoc at hotmail.com> wrote:




Dear Dr. Cohen:




I am glad to have read your letter to Toronto Glope & mail in showing the
the results of your 25 years studies of radon gas whether dangerous to
humankind, that?the US population in the high average radon level county,
have 30% of less lung cancer deaths in the low average radon level counties.
Therefore the EPA of US and Canada governments in trying to reduce the radon
concentration in homes and water are really unnecessary and unreasonable..? 




The population in US high average radon level counties, have 30% of less
lung cancers deaths attributed to they received higher internal radiation
doses from radon. Assumed the?cancer mortality in United States is same as
in Taiwan, and aslo half of them is lung cancers, the United States might
have about 200,000 lung cancer deaths each year.?If 30% of lung cancer
reduced in high average level counties? supposed?lt;span style=""> half in
high lwvel country) then about 30,000 lung cancers deaths woudl?be
prevented. Acually, the external chronic radiation from Gamma ray could also
reduce cancers. Dr. 

Luckey,?the most important health physicist prsented a paper?in 1999 ANS
annual meeting indicated that, if the amount of gamma radiation received by
the nuclear energy workers, was given to the whole US population through
public health service,?half of the cancer deaths of the population or
200,000 cancer deaths might be prevented each year, So that?all?kind
radiation might  reduce cancers...



The excess internal doses from radon and external doses from gamma ray could
easily reduce the cancer deaths of the population, but?the excess radiation
could not easily deliver?to the population. 

The coincidently incident of the Co-60 contamination apartments in Taiwan
seemed to demonstrate that chronic radiation doses were?not only easy to
give off but also could prevent about 97%?of their cancers by arranging some
low activity of Co-60 on the ceiling of the living rooms and bed rooms in
exposing?the? chronic radiation doses to the population in about 50 mSv/y or
5000 mrem/y, as if their cancers have been immunized, though there are some
health physicists still considered as a wild story..?..? .??? 




Best regards




Y. C. Luan?Senior Scientist of NuSTA and Consultant of NBC Society.






  From: Bernard Cohen <blc+ at pitt.edu>
To: "Jim Muckerheide, RSH" <rad-sci-l at WPI.EDU>
Subject: Letter to Toronto Globe & Mail
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:03:58 


  Dear Sir:
??As a scientist with 25 years of research experience in the field, I am
writing in response to the recent very alarmist article by your
Environmental Reporter about the dangers of radon gas in homes.??
?????My studies of 1600 U.S. counties, comprising 90% of the U.S.
population, have shown that counties with high average radon levels
?lt;/span>have 30% lower lung cancer rates than counties with low average
radon levels; the trend over this range of radon levels is continuous and
statistically indisputable. This finding persists after fully compensating
for differences in smoking frequency among counties, and it is not affected
by differences in age distributions, in socioeconomic status, in climate, in
environmental factors, or by any other characteristics that anyone has
suggested. These studies have been described in papers published 

in prestigious peer reviewed scientific journals, and all of the potential
explanations that have been offered to make it compatible with your story
have been shown to be completely implausible. 
?lt;/span>??Doesn't this make your story seem excessively alarmist?

??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Sincerely Yours,

??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??Bernard L. Cohen
??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
??? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?University of



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