[ RadSafe ] NYT Article: N.Y. Grid Could Stand to LoseReactors,Panel Says

[Stewart Farber]

Hello all,

I don't have figures at hand, but a good fraction of the very large output 
of the Bruce and Pickering nuclear complexes' output in Canada [8 units at 
each site] has been pumped south to the US over the past 20 years.  Rather 
than the US building its own nuclear generating capacity to meet its growing 
energy demand, we have relied to some extent on Canadian nuclear generation 
flowing into our grid at a price higher than we would have to pay for 
domestic nuclear power production.

Another example of NIMBY with nuclear capacity just the other side of the 
Great Lakes meeting our needs, even tho' the cost is higher.

As they say in Quebec [and France with 78% of its' electric demand met by 
nuclear generation:

plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose  [The more things change, the more 
they stay the same].

Stewart Farber




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sinclair, Michael" <Sinclair at iema.state.il.us>
To: "Jaro" <jaro-10kbq at sympatico.ca>; "radsafe" <radsafe at radlab.nl>
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:07 PM
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] NYT Article: N.Y. Grid Could Stand to 
LoseReactors,Panel Says


> History is a wonderful teacher, if we'd only listen!
> In the mid-1970s, Canada and the US began talks about selling surplus 
> hyrdo generating capacity from the James Bay project to the energy-starved 
> Northeast. The idea was that Canada would sell bonds in the US to finance 
> James Bay development and in return for the US investment, Canada would 
> guarantee a long-term supply of electrity at a fixed rate.  A few New 
> England states were in favor of the deal, but it died when the federal 
> government decided that it wouldn't be prudent to have large portions of 
> the Northeast grid reliant on Canadian power.  Besides, oil from the 
> friendly Middle East was cheap and nuclear was the future. So, we 
> internalized our energy policy in the interests of "protecting" electric 
> consumers in the Northeast from those greedy Canadians. Talk about 
> opportunities lost!!!
> Mike Sinclair
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl]On
> Behalf Of Jaro
> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 7:19 PM
> To: radsafe
> Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] NYT Article: N.Y. Grid Could Stand to Lose
> Reactors,Panel Says
>
>
> John Jacobus wrote:
> Right now I am looking at a 75% increase in utility rates due to
> deregulation.
> <SNIP>
>
> Don't worry John, our Hydro Quebec will sell you the electricity you 
> need -
> and make a fabulous fortune in the process.
> The Provincial utility is pushing hard for conservation locally, because 
> of
> the regulated low prices here -- so that they can sell as much as possible
> to you guys, and fleece you royally in the process.
> Hydro Quebec would LOVE it if you closed down Indian Point.
> It would drive prices sky-high.
> We've got a great gig going here, with the enormous hydro reservoirs in
> James Bay and elsewhere: HQ can buy cheap coal-generated electricity from
> south of the border & from the Atlantic Provinces, when its not needed & 
> the
> rates are low, store it in the hydro reservoirs (i.e. just close the 
> turbine
> gates), and then sell it back to you when prices are high.
> Some folks figure it might be a better idea to negotiate a "power sharing"
> contract with HQ, whereby a certain fixed service fee would be paid to HQ
> for such energy storage, instead of deferring to the brutal vagaries of 
> the
> open market.
> But this idea doesn't seem to have occurred yet to the politicians & power
> brokers south of the border, in Ontario, or in the Atlantic Provinces.
> Or maybe they just don't worry that much about John Jacobus' 75% increase 
> in
> utility rates?
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