[ RadSafe ] Dose to Mae Keane may be kilorads!

Wed Jun 14 14:09:47 CDT 2006

No. "Suppressed" means "kill the program" (originally intended to be a
lifespan study of this most exposed group) before the collection of data
would kill the LNT.  DOE first stopped CHR from adding new people to the
group, limiting statistical power, and then stopped the program from
medical follow-up of people already in the program.  In recent years
they have prevented an update of the SSN-based mortality data, limiting
the knowledge of how long the dial painters are living and causes of
death.

DOE later turned the program over to NIOSH to "decide" that it should
not be funded because there is no future threat to workers of
significant radium body burdens (but of course the majority of dial
painters received very low doses, e.g., the WWII dial painters - which
would have killed EPA's ability to limit drinking water to 5 pCi/L [4
mrem/yr], etc.)

Regards, Jim Muckerheide

> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl 
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On Behalf Of John Jacobus
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:21 PM
> To: radsafe
> Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Dose to Mae Keane may be kilorads!
> 
> 
> Jim,
> Obvously this was not suppressed very well as everyone
> seems to know about it.  Maybe a better phase would be
> "achived due to lack of funds."  Of course, it makes
> better press when you can say that there is a
> conspiracy to cover things up.  That is what the
> anti-nuclear people do all the time.
> 
> --- "Muckerheide, Jim  (CDA)"
> <Jim.Muckerheide at state.ma.us> wrote:
> 
> > Actually, the summary of the scientific studies is
> > Bob Rowland's "Radium
> > in Humans" pub'd by ANL, home of the terminated and
> > suppressed Center
> > for Human Radiobiology following Robley Evans'
> > retirement in 1970.  See
> > my msg to the group:
> > http://www.vanderbilt.edu/radsafe/9907/msg00152.html
> > 
> > 
> > This book lists every radium dial painter case
> > followed by the CHR,
> > suppressed by DOE starting after the 1983 Health
> > Physics Supplement 1
> > issue on the 1981 Lake Geneva WI int'l conference
> > that confirmed the
> > lack of adverse effects in studies in the U.S. and
> > other countries.
> > 
> > (If you want to use our links to sources, change
> > "cnts.wpi.edu" to
> > "www.radscihealth.org" in the urls.)
> > 
> > See also a summary by Bob Rowland (with a very
> > interesting plot of all
> > the dial painters by systemic intake vs. year of
> > entry into the dial
> > painting industry) at:
> > http://www.rerowland.com/dial_painters.htm 
> > 
> > Regards, Jim Muckerheide
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl 
> > > [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On Behalf Of
> > Alex J. 
> > > Grosso, Health Physicist
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 12:32 PM
> > > To: parthasarathy k s
> > > Cc: RADSAFE; Susan Gawarecki
> > > Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Dose to Mae Keane may be
> > kilorads!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > There was a very good book published recently
> > about the 
> > > problems these 
> > > girls experienced:
> > > 
> > > Radium Girls, Women and Industril Health Reform,
> > 1910-1935 by Claudia 
> > > Clark
> > > , published 1997 by University of North Carolina
> > Press.
> > > 
> > > It can be purchased through Barnes & Nobles.  Not
> > much detail 
> > > on dose but 
> > > a lot on their experiences.
> > > 
> > > Alex
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Alex J. Grosso, Jr.
> > > Health Physicist
> > > grosso at u.washington.edu
> > > bigboys at whidbey.net
> > > 206-616-5564
> > > 
> > > "Laughter is the Best Weapon" - Roger Rabbit
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 14 Jun 2006, parthasarathy k s wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Prof R D Evans published a review of the doses
> > to those who 
> > > had significant intakes of radium as dial painters
> > (I can 
> > > locate the paper; it was in the Health Physics
> > journal). The 
> > > doses were of the order of hundreds of rads that
> > too 
> > > contributed  by alpha particles from the decay
> > products of 
> > > radium;a few must have received kilorads! The
> > poineering work 
> > > done in USA by two groups in Argonne and
> > Massachusettes laid 
> > > the foundation stone for internal dosimetry of
> > bone seeking 
> > > radionuclides such as Strontium-90, plutonium-239
> > etc.
> > > >
> > > > The work is often projected to indicate evidence
> > against 
> > > LNT concept.
> > > >
> > > > Can any one in the list provide more about the
> > human side 
> > > of the tragic experience of those who suffered
> > radium 
> > > poisoning. It appears that the first victim sued
> > the 
> > > employer, got compensation; most of it went to the
> > 
> > > lawyers.(It was probably the first case of this
> > kind).
> > > >
> > > > I am keen to get details about how many victims
> > were part 
> > > of the internal contamination study which went on 
> > for 
> > > decades. Can any one provide appropriate
> > references?
> > > >
> > > > 
> 
> +++++++++++++++++++
> "You get a lot more authority when the workforce doesn't 
> think it's amateur hour on the top floor."
> GEN. MICHAEL V. HAYDEN, President Bush's nominee for C.I.A. director.
> 
> -- John
> John Jacobus, MS
> Certified Health Physicist
> e-mail:  crispy_bird at yahoo.com
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