[ RadSafe ] RE: uranium in the gulf war
Steven Dapra
sjd at swcp.com
Sun Jun 25 21:54:43 CDT 2006
June 25
James Salsman wrote: But there is also an active, semi-coordinated
campaign by active and retired military to do public relations
work in support of depleted uranium weaponry -- there is a memo
from Los Alamos about this, which you can read here:
http://www.spidersmill.com/gwvrl/LosAlamos.gif
According to this memo, It is believed that dU penetrators were
very effective against Iraqi armor; however, assessments of such will have
to be made. (The memo always uses the form dU.) It also says there is
a concern regarding the effect of DU on the environment, and that if no
one makes a case for DUs being an effective weapon, it may become
politically unacceptable, and be removed from the arsenal. If DU weapons
prove to be effective we should assure their future . . . through
Service/DoD proponency, and that without this proponency it is possible
that we stand to lose a valuable combat capability. I believe we should
keep this sensitive issue at mind when after action reports are written.
Does this really sound like an active semi-coordinated campaign
by active and retired military to do public relations work in support of
depleted uranium weaponry?
Keeping something at mind when after action reports are written
doesnt exactly attain to the level of being a campaign, does it? There is
nothing in the memo about retired military, and after action reports
dont exactly rise to the level of being public relations work. Note
also that the memo was written by a lieutenant colonel and is addressed to
a major. I was once told by a retired colonel that until one rose to the
level of colonel he didnt have much chance for having any influence in the
services. (For those who may not know, the ranks go major, lieutenant
colonel, colonel.) This campaign sounds more like histrionics on the
part of James Salsman.
Salsman also wrote, if it was so difficult for the
people in the early 1970s to test the Agent Orange shipments to
which soldiers were being exposed for carcinogens and
teratogens, then the government probably needs someone to
remind them to check the uranium for inhalation risks which may
have been missed, until they do.
Was there any reason to test Agent Orange for carcinogens and
teratogens in the early 1970s? When was it discovered that Agent Orange
contained these substances? As far as that goes, has it ever been
conclusively shown that Agent Orange had any adverse effects on the
servicemen who were exposed to it? With respect to inhalation risks,
havent uranium miners and mill workers been studied to the point of surfeit?
More Salsman: there are now a bunch of state governments which
mandate urine isotope ratio tests, which I think are completely
flawed. Why do you think the tests are flawed, and what are your
qualifications for making this claim? If you are copying from someone
else, from whom are you copying, where were his claims reported, and what
are his qualifications?
Still more Salsman: Of all the
symptoms of Gulf War illness, an increase in the cancer rate has
never been confirmed by medical studies except very recently
with respect to brain cancer deaths:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/255812_gulfvets16.html
The Seattle Post-Intelligencer article says, Brain cancer deaths
. . . now are recognized by the Defense and Veterans Affairs departments as
potentially connected to service during the Persian Gulf War. POTENTIALLY
CONNECTED Note too that Salsman offers no primary source material to
support this.
Salsmans ATSDR report about nerve and mustard gas
(http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxprofiles/tp49-c3.pdf) is a 98 page report that
is well-larded with qualifiers. I read a small portion of it and it says
two rat studies reported no fetal toxicity or gross teratogenic effects,
and no excess fetal abnormalities. (See p. 43; section 3.2.1.6)
Salsman also invokes a study by Kang, et al. (2001) ("Pregnancy
outcomes
among US Gulf war veterans: a population-based survey of 30,000
veterans; Annals of Epidemiology, 2001, Volume 11, pages 504511).
I have a copy of this study and re-read it this afternoon. It is true that
Dr. Kang and his colleagues reported a near-doubling of birth defect risk
in male veterans' offspring and a near-tripling in female veterans'
offspring. This was a self-reported study that was conducted via
mailed-out questionnaires with telephone follow-up. The study authors made
some adjustments to compensate for the self-reporting, however in the
conclusions to their de facto Abstract, they say their observation of
increased birth defects among children of Gulf War veterans needs to be
confirmed by a review of medical records to rule out possible reporting bias.
James Salsman and I have already slugged it out once on RADSAFE
over depleted uranium. You can see the archives (March 5, 2006) for the
colloquy.
Steven Dapra
sjd at swcp.com
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