AW: AW: [ RadSafe ] Re: Lung cancer reduction
Rainer.Facius at dlr.de
Rainer.Facius at dlr.de
Thu Jun 29 12:25:34 CDT 2006
indeed I apparently have misunderstood you as asking for evidence that chronic low dose ionizing radiation has been found to reduce lung cancer mortality. That's what I intended to provide with these graphs.
Sorry for wasting your and radsafers' time.
Kind regards, Rainer
PS: can you still provide a copy of this paper on Matanoski 1991:
Radiation Protection Dosimetry, 98:2, 239-245 (2002)
Many thanks in advance
Von: John Jacobus [mailto:crispy_bird at yahoo.com]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. Juni 2006 18:25
An: Facius, Rainer; jskowronek at ietu.katowice.pl; radsafe at radlab.nl
Betreff: Re: AW: [ RadSafe ] Re: Lung cancer reduction
Very true. This paper does not answer my question about radiation reducing lung cancer in smokers. Did YOU not understand what I was asking for?
--- Rainer.Facius at dlr.de wrote:
> Dear colleague,
> thank you for this pointer. Of course, it does not address the point
> raised by John Jacobus, who denied that there might be evidence to the
> contrary - which even is acknowledged as such by the ICRP.
> Can you provide a pdf copy of your paper?
> Thank you in advance, Rainer
> Von: Jan Skowronek
> [mailto:jskowronek at ietu.katowice.pl]
> Gesendet: Di 27.06.2006 09:54
> An: Facius, Rainer; crispy_bird at yahoo.com; radsafe at radlab.nl
> Betreff: RE: [ RadSafe ] Re: Lung cancer reduction
> P.T. Colleagues,
> See: Skowronek J., Zemla B. - Epidemiology of lung and larynx cancers
> in coal mines in Upper Silesia - preliminary results.
> Health Physics, September
> 2003, Volume 85, no 3.
> Increased exposure to radon progeny (but still on the level of low
> doses - < some mSv/y)) in coal mines increases risk of lung and larynx
> dr hab. inz. Jan SKOWRONEK
> Instytut Ekologii Terenów Uprzemyslowionych Institute for Ecology of
> Industrial Areas ul. Kossutha 6
> 40-844 Katowice/Poland
> tel.: (+48-32) 2540164
> fax: (+48-32) 2541717
> e-mail: jskowronek at ietu.katowice.pl
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl
> [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl]On Behalf Of Rainer.Facius at dlr.de
> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 1:54 PM
> To: crispy_bird at yahoo.com; radsafe at radlab.nl
> Subject: AW: [ RadSafe ] Re: Lung cancer reduction
> "There is no evidence that increased exposures to radiation have done
> so [reduced incidence of lung cancer]."
> Dear John:
> Of course, whether or not your above statement holds, depends somewhat
> on what you consider "evidence". Regarding lung cancer, even the ICRP
> concedes that the [LNT] atomic bomb survivor risk estimates do NOT fit
> into the picture outlined by epidemiological data from truly chronic
> low dose rate
> "For cancers at some sites there is reasonable compatibility between
> the data from LSS and those from others sources. However it is
> recognised by the Commission that for a number of sites, e.g., lung,
> there are significant differences."
> quoted from: 2005 RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMISSION ON
> RADIOLOGICAL PROTECTION. Draft for consultation.
> §(104) p. 30 and once more
> in annex A, (A13) p. 67)
> I attach a PDF file with 6 diagrams showing such significant
> differences in data from some of such 'opposing' studies.(If the
> attachment does not pass the moderator, I will provide it upon
> Unless you can provide reasons for ignoring these findings, my
> interpretation of these data falsifies your above statement.
> Kind regards, Rainer
> . . .
"You get a lot more authority when the workforce doesn't think it's amateur hour on the top floor."
GEN. MICHAEL V. HAYDEN, President Bush's nominee for C.I.A. director.
John Jacobus, MS
Certified Health Physicist
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