[ RadSafe ] National Academies Project:Toxicological and RadiologicalEffects from Exposures to Depleted Uranium During and After Combat

Flanigan, Floyd Floyd.Flanigan at nmcco.com
Fri Nov 17 09:30:08 CST 2006

Both safer and safest are inflected forms of the work safe ... hence,
not really a word at all ... so ... is it safe to use it in
correspondence on a scientific exchange ...? "Safer" becomes "More safe"
in its correct form as "Safest" becomes "Most safe" when used correctly.


And while we're on the subject of bullet-making materials ... what the
heck is wrong with using Tungsten? It has a melting point over 10,000
degrees F and is heavy as all get-out. In my experience, the majority of
Tungsten is non-radioactive with the exception of welding tips and some
other industrial applications. Aaaaaannnnd ...... Bullets are supposed
to be bad for you. Trying to find wholesome materials to make them out
of seems like a glaring paradox. 


I like Tungsten.

My wedding ring is made out of Tungsten.

Tungsten doesn't have issues with post-projectile residue.

It would, however, destroy the rifling in the gun barrel over time. 

But as long as there is war, there will be people who will be more than
happy to make and sell us new guns. 

So the rifling issue is relatively moot.


Sorry about the tangent. I'm a little punchy this morning.



Floyd W. Flanigan B.S.Nuc.H.P.


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To: Eric D
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Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] National Academies Project:Toxicological and
RadiologicalEffects from Exposures to Depleted Uranium During and After


Dr, Daxon,


The word "safe" cannot be honestly used in a scientific context because

nothing involving humans is safe for humans.   For example, the use of

peanuts or peanut oil is not safe.  Neither is the use of milk or water.

Even the use of the phrase "safe and effectinve" in discussing the

of medicines is misleading at best.  Nobody is ever safe.


However, it would be honest to state simply that something or some

is "as safe as" or "safer than" something else or some other activity.

example, one might honestly say that "the use of DU munitions is safer

the use of lead or tungsten munitions," or safer than using no munitions



Don Kosloff

Shippingport PA and Bedford OH




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             11/16/2006 10:49

             PM                        RE: [ RadSafe ] National

                                       Project: Toxicological   and

                                       Radiological Effects from

                                       to Depleted  Uranium     During

                                       After Combat











This will bring scientific closure to the issue.  I was a part of the

IPT that initiated the Capstone project.  I also helped in writing parts

the report.  It was a real honor to work with the people on that


Whether it will assist with the "soft" part of the issue depends upon

Charter of the committee and the willingness of the committee to speak

plain language.  One of the NAS's earlier evaluations of the health

of DU actually said it was safe but the language was so convoluted that

took me several reads to understand what they were trying to say.  To

layman or the non-epidemiologist science-type reading the report, it


like we did not know what the health effects were.


Unfortunately, there are very few - if any - instances where I have seen


word "safe" in any of the scientific reviews of health effects we do.

tend to couch risk numbers with other risk numbers and hope that the

non-scientist will understand.  It has been my experience that doing

just adds to the distrust of the message.


Unfortunately again, not using that word - safe - with a targeted

causes harm in the form of fear and never ending Congressional

for more research. More research is not a good thing when it is

funds from other work that will yield a benefit.


I hope the Committee speaks plainly and perhaps uses a four letter word


and there - safe.


Eric Daxon, PhD





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