[ RadSafe ] National Academies Project:ToxicologicalandRadiologicalEffects from Exposures to Depleted Uranium During and AfterCombat

Sat Nov 18 02:42:59 CST 2006

I realize this. I was trying to point out the irony of having health
concerns from bullets. It may have been missed by some and appreciated
by others. For those who did not see the point: I apologize. I will try
to make myself more clear in the future.

Floyd

-----Original Message-----
From: John R Johnson [mailto:idias at interchange.ubc.ca] 
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 11:45 AM
To: bobcherry at satx.rr.com; Flanigan, Floyd
Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl; radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl
Subject: RE: RE: [ RadSafe ] National Academies
Project:ToxicologicalandRadiologicalEffects from Exposures to Depleted
Uranium During and AfterCombat

Floyd

The reason that DU is better than tungsten is that its low melting
temperature means that it can melt it why through armour and cause havoc
to
the operators.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl]On
Behalf Of bobcherry at satx.rr.com
Sent: November 17, 2006 8:05 AM
To: Flanigan, Floyd
Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl; radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl
Subject: Re: RE: [ RadSafe ] National Academies Project:Toxicological
andRadiologicalEffects from Exposures to Depleted Uranium During and
After Combat

What is wrong with tungsten is that it bounces off state-of-the-art
armor as
our soldiers happily observed when the enemy fired at them in the first
Gulf
war.
And when our soldiers and airmen shoot at the enemy, they prefer that
their
rounds do not bounce off the enemy's armor. I guess they're just funny
that
way.
Bob C

----- Original Message -----
From: "Flanigan, Floyd" <Floyd.Flanigan at nmcco.com>
Date: Friday, November 17, 2006 9:35 am
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] National Academies Project:Toxicological and
RadiologicalEffects from Exposures to Depleted Uranium During and After
Combat
To: dckosloff at firstenergycorp.com, Eric D <edaxon at satx.rr.com>
Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl, radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl

> Both safer and safest are inflected forms of the work safe ... hence,
> not really a word at all ... so ... is it safe to use it in
> correspondence on a scientific exchange ...? "Safer" becomes "More
> safe"in its correct form as "Safest" becomes "Most safe" when used
> correctly.
>
>
> And while we're on the subject of bullet-making materials ... what the
> heck is wrong with using Tungsten? It has a melting point over 10,000
> degrees F and is heavy as all get-out. In my experience, the
> majority of
> Tungsten is non-radioactive with the exception of welding tips and
> someother industrial applications. Aaaaaannnnd ...... Bullets are
> supposedto be bad for you. Trying to find wholesome materials to
> make them out
> of seems like a glaring paradox.
>
>
>
> I like Tungsten.
>
> My wedding ring is made out of Tungsten.
>
> Tungsten doesn't have issues with post-projectile residue.
>
> It would, however, destroy the rifling in the gun barrel over
> time.
>
> But as long as there is war, there will be people who will be more
> thanhappy to make and sell us new guns.
>
> So the rifling issue is relatively moot.
>
>
>
> Sorry about the tangent. I'm a little punchy this morning.
>
>
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>
>
> Floyd W. Flanigan B.S.Nuc.H.P.
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On
> Behalf Of dckosloff at firstenergycorp.com
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 7:11 AM
> To: Eric D
> Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl; radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl
> Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] National Academies Project:Toxicological and
> RadiologicalEffects from Exposures to Depleted Uranium During and
> AfterCombat
>
>
>
> Dr, Daxon,
>
>
>
> The word "safe" cannot be honestly used in a scientific context
> because
> nothing involving humans is safe for humans. For example, the
> use of
>
> peanuts or peanut oil is not safe. Neither is the use of milk or
> water.
> Even the use of the phrase "safe and effectinve" in discussing the
> approval
>
> of medicines is misleading at best. Nobody is ever safe.
>
>
>
> However, it would be honest to state simply that something or some
> activity
>
> is "as safe as" or "safer than" something else or some other activity.
> For
>
> example, one might honestly say that "the use of DU munitions is safer
> than
>
> the use of lead or tungsten munitions," or safer than using no
> munitionsat
>
> all.
>
>
>
> Don Kosloff
>
> Shippingport PA and Bedford OH
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> "Eric D"
>
>
> <edaxon at satx.rr.c
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> om>
> To
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> Sent by: "'Robert Cherry'"
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> radsafe-bounces at r <bobcherry at satx.rr.com>,
>
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> adlab.nl <radsafe at radlab.nl>
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>
>
> cc
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> 11/16/2006 10:49
> Subject
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> PM RE: [ RadSafe ] National
> Academies
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> Project: Toxicological and
>
>
> Radiological Effects from
> Exposures
>
> to Depleted Uranium During
> and
>
> After Combat
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> This will bring scientific closure to the issue. I was a part of the
> DoD
>
> IPT that initiated the Capstone project. I also helped in writing
> partsof
>
> the report. It was a real honor to work with the people on that
> project.
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> Whether it will assist with the "soft" part of the issue depends upon
> the
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> Charter of the committee and the willingness of the committee to speak
> in
>
> plain language. One of the NAS's earlier evaluations of the health
> effects
>
> of DU actually said it was safe but the language was so convoluted
> thatit
>
> took me several reads to understand what they were trying to say. To
> the
>
> layman or the non-epidemiologist science-type reading the report, it
>
> sounded
>
> like we did not know what the health effects were.
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> Unfortunately, there are very few - if any - instances where I
> have seen
>
> the
>
> word "safe" in any of the scientific reviews of health effects we do.
> We
>
> tend to couch risk numbers with other risk numbers and hope that the
>
> non-scientist will understand. It has been my experience that doing
> this
>
> just adds to the distrust of the message.
>
>
>
> Unfortunately again, not using that word - safe - with a targeted
> substance
>
> causes harm in the form of fear and never ending Congressional
> requirements
>
> for more research. More research is not a good thing when it is
> diverting
>
> funds from other work that will yield a benefit.
>
>
>
> I hope the Committee speaks plainly and perhaps uses a four letter
> word
> here
>
> and there - safe.
>
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> Eric Daxon, PhD
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