[ RadSafe ] " Technology to detect radiation has progressed "

Sun Aug 26 22:53:17 CDT 2007

<sigh>  More questions to answer questions.    

Brent Rogers
Leader Commercial Radiation Safety Group
Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation
PMB 1, Menai NSW 2234
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E brent.rogers at ansto.gov.au 
www.ansto.gov.au

-----Original Message-----
From: John Jacobus [mailto:crispy_bird at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, 27 August 2007 12:52 PM
To: ROGERS, Brent; 'Steven Dapra'; radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] " Technology to detect radiation has progressed "

Brent,
How many contingencies are you will to protect?  What
are you willing to give up in funding and freedom? 
The terrorist have won because we fear our own
society.

--- "ROGERS, Brent" <brent.rogers at ansto.gov.au> wrote:

> Franklin Roosevelt said "The only thing we have to
> fear is fear itself." 
> 
>  
> 
> I'm sure 3000 people cheerfully went to work one
> glorious late summer day in
> NYC thinking the exact same thing.
> 
>  
> 
> PS:  You answered my "most important question" with
> a question of your own.
> A new question, is not an answer.  I ask again:  If
> you were responsible for
> safety and security of Williamsport, would you be
> willing not to be prepared
> for that contingency?
> 
>  
> 
> Brent Rogers
> 
> Leader Commercial Radiation Safety Group
> 
> Australian Nuclear Science and Technology
> Organisation
> 
> PMB 1, Menai NSW 2234
> 
> T +61 2 9717 3251
> 
> F +61 2 9717 9266
> 
> M +61 4 1723 1879 (0417 231 879)
> 
> E  <mailto:brent.rogers at ansto.gov.au>
> brent.rogers at ansto.gov.au 
> 
>  <http://www.ansto.gov.au/> www.ansto.gov.au
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Dapra [mailto:sjd at swcp.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 August 2007 12:30 PM
> To: brent.rogers at ansto.gov.au; radsafe at radlab.nl
> Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] " Technology to detect
> radiation has progressed "
> 
>  
> 
> Aug. 20
> 
>         To answer what I consider to be the most
> important question, how
> many contingencies do you want to prepare for? 
> Shall each of us be assigned
> a policeman, or FBI agent, or BATF agent, or
> Homeland Security agent, or
> *someone*, to accompany us everywhere to make
> certain we don't blow someone
> up? 
> 
>         There is a problem with the business of
> guarding everyone:  "Sed
> quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"  ---  "But who is to
> guard the guards
> themselves?" 
> 
>         Franklin Roosevelt said "The only thing we
> have to fear is fear
> itself."  Thoreau said, "Nothing is to be so much
> feared as fear."  As a
> people and as a nation, we need to get a grip on
> ourselves.
> 
> Steven Dapra
> 
> All quotes are from Bartlett's Familiar Quotations,
> 16th edition.
> 
> 'Guarding the guards' --- Juvenal; p 109:3
> Roosevelt --- 648:18
> Thoreau --- 476:26
> 
> 
> 
> At 11:58 AM 8/21/07 +1000, ROGERS, Brent wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Steven
> 
> If a crackpot/terrorist with a strange combination
> of dislikes (abortion
> clinics and lesbians) is willing to blow up a bag of
> nails at an event
> related to neither of these activities, the Atlanta
> Olympics...  It's not a
> far stretch to think something similar involving
> radioactive material might
> occur at the Little League World Series.  That
> foolishness occurred 5 years
> before 9/11.
> 
> If you were responsible for safety and security of
> Williamsport, would you
> be willing not to be prepared for that contingency?
> 
> Brent Rogers
> Leader Commercial Radiation Safety Group
> Australian Nuclear Science and Technology
> Organisation
> PMB 1, Menai NSW 2234
> T +61 2 9717 3251
> F +61 2 9717 9266
> M +61 4 1723 1879 (0417 231 879)
> E brent.rogers at ansto.gov.au 
> www.ansto.gov.au <http://www.ansto.gov.au/> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Dapra [mailto:sjd at swcp.com
> <mailto:sjd at swcp.com> ] 
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 August 2007 11:40 AM
> To: Brian Rees; radsafe at radlab.nl
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] " Technology to detect
> radiation has progressed "
> 
> Aug. 20
> 
>          I may (or may not) be willing to concede a
> small amount on this
> one.
> 
>          A little more to the point, why are people
> being screened when 
> they are going to a Little League World Series game?
>  Is the post-Sept. 11 
> paraonia so bad that our ostensible protectors
> believe terrorists (or 
> perhaps run of the mill crackpots) are going to be
> throwing around 'lethal 
> radioactive substances' at a Little League game? 
> Does anything think this 
> may be getting a little out of hand?  And if not,
> what *does* constitute 
> getting out of hand?
> 
> Steven Dapra
> 
> 
> At 10:14 AM 8/20/07 -0600, Brian Rees wrote:
> >Actually, I have been involved in personnel
> detections, and the people who 
> >ask the questions are polite and understanding and
> professional when 
> >they've been trained well, which is usually the
> case.  In addition, many 
> >people (I know this isn't ALWAYS the case!) are
> aware that they are 
> >slightly radioactive and may trigger detectors and
> be questioned.  Many of 
> >the people (patients) I've talked to are
> understanding, and in many cases 
> >pleased to see that there really are people doing
> this work.
> >
> >My own personal opinion and experience only...
> >Brian Rees
> >
> >
> >At 08:32 PM 8/19/2007, you wrote:
> >>Aug. 18
> >>
> >>         I should think this would be
> intimidating.  Youi're trying to 
> >> watch a baseball game and all of a sudden a bunch
> of gorillas packing 
> >> heat are standing over you asking  nosy personal
> question.  In this age 
> >> of post-Sept. 11 paranoia I doubt that the
> interrogators were very 
> >> congenial.  I wonder if any of them have wives?
> >>
> >>Steven Dapra
> >>sjd at swcp.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>At 07:58 PM 8/19/07 -0400, Jaro wrote:
> >>>Aviation Week & Space Technology
> >>>08/20/2007, page 26
> >>>Technology to detect radiation has progressed,
> says Army Lt. Gen. William
> >>>Webster, deputy commander of the U.S. Northern
> Command. During the most
> >>>recent Little League World Series in
> Williamsport, Pa., detectors picked
> up
> 
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"All of the old-timers knew that subprime mortgages were what we called
neutron loans --  they killed the people and left the houses. . . .
"LOUIS S. BARNES, a partner at Boulder West, a mortgage banking firm.

-- John
John Jacobus, MS
Certified Health Physicist
e-mail:  crispy_bird at yahoo.com

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