[ RadSafe ] Re: Radiation Hormesis

[Flanigan, Floyd]

I agree completely. But just because we know where the burden of proof
lies, does not mean they are going to agree with us. 

This thread goes back a long way on this list, and in said past, I
posted feverishly in favor of Hormesis. I still feel the same way. I
just lack the faith in the majority of our race (human) to acquiesce. 

Floyd

-----Original Message-----
From: Rainer.Facius at dlr.de [mailto:Rainer.Facius at dlr.de] 
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 1:59 PM
To: Flanigan, Floyd; Mike.Brennan at DOH.WA.GOV; radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: AW: [ RadSafe ] Re: Radiation Hormesis

Floyd,
 

1.) Much longer than the 500 years since Paracelsus, pharmacologists
know that toxins can be remedies. Paracelsus' dictum "dosis facit
venenum" (the dose makes the poison) to my knowledge stands unchallenged
in medicine.

 

2.) In addition, for I don't know how many natural and synthetic
chemical toxins - not usually utilized as drugs - a biphasic
(non-linear) dose response function has been experimentally established.


 

Given 1) and 2), the burden of proof lies on those claiming an exception
from this rule for an ubiquitous toxin such as ionizing radiation - at
'background intensities' actually more pervading than any single other
toxin. 

 

Regards, Rainer



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Von: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl im Auftrag von Flanigan, Floyd
Gesendet: Do 27.12.2007 20:05
An: Brennan, Mike (DOH); radsafe at radlab.nl
Betreff: RE: [ RadSafe ] Re: Radiation Hormesis


Unfortunately, with the 35 some odd year period prior to some symptoms
expressing, and the moratorium on buying human babies and raising them
in a clinically controlled environment, definitive proof is hard to come
by. I am a firm supporter of Hormesis but with all of the other
environmental influences which can mask most true expressions of the
Hormetic Effect, I fear it will be a very long time before we see such a
study. I suppose it could be conducted on lab animals, but no matter
what evidence was produced, the nay-sayers would find their way back to
the fact that humans have a different physiology than the test subjects.
Hope may indeed spring eternal, but in this case it is in short supply.

Floyd W. Flanigan B.S.Nuc.H.P.
Health Physics Supervisor

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On
Behalf Of Brennan, Mike (DOH)
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 12:02 PM
To: radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Re: Radiation Hormesis

"All science is either physics or stamp collecting."      Ernest.
Rutherford
  
I am reminded of the story of a zoologist, biologist, and physicist each
being asked to discuss the most important aspects of elephants.  The
zoologist discussed the social aspects of the herd how elephants
interact with their environment.  The biologist discussed the huge
amount of food the elephant consumes and processes in which it is
processed.  The physicist gets up, thinks for a minute, and starts,
"Assume the elephant is a sphere..."

On the topic of hormesis; I would love for someone to do some definitive
research, well designed and meticulously controlled, that would address
both the claims and the criticisms.  I will even allow as to how I would
LOVE to have hormesis confirmed, if for no other reason than the
entertainment value of watching my friends in the EPA struggle with
setting maximum and minimum desired radon exposure levels.  Sadly, I
have yet to see anything about such research being done.  The hormesis
papers I've seen show as much evidence of cherry picking as the
anti-(fill in the blank for whatever you don't like) papers. 

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