[ RadSafe ] Mangano's New Study

[John Jacobus]

Most important is the correlation of dose to the
individual to the effect demonstrated.  It may sound
simple, but there is few if any data associated with
these population "studies."  Consequently, one has to
rely on environmental studies that have the
confounding problem of statistical variability in the
analysis.  And, of course, there is the inevitable
clustering phenomenon mentioned below.  You
cherry-pick the data you like best.

The HPS has a nice policy statement questioning the
compensation (or finding of effect) below doses of 100
mSv or 10 rem. 
http://hps.org/documents/compensation_ps014-0.pdf

--- edmond0033 <edmond0033 at comcast.net> wrote:

> I have asked this question before and those like
> Mangano.  They never say 
> what was the amount (grams) of sample that they
> analyzed or what was the 
> methodology.  Maybe they just guessed at the final
> numbers.
> 
> Ed Baratta
> edmond0033 at comcast,net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "stewart farber" <radproject at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Otto Raabe" <ograabe at ucdavis.edu>;
> <radsafe at radlab.nl>
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 12:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Mangano's New Study
> 
> 
> > I've commented before that Mangano is a 2nd
> generation Sternglass 
> > wannabe. The importance of Mangano learning his
> 'craft' over  the past 
> > five or so years at Sternglass' elbow [up until
> recently Sternglass was 
> > still working with Mangano and the Tooth Fairy
> Project --I'm not sure of 
> > the current connection, if any,  between
> Sternglass and Mangano] is that 
> > the National Academy of Sciences  and the Health
> Physics Society and other 
> > professional societies around 1980 in one of the
> BEIR [Biological Effects 
> > of Ionizing Radiation] Consensus Reports pointed
> out that Sternglass was 
> > guilty in all of his supposed studies and claims
> of only selecting data 
> > which supported any specific hypothesis he
> suggested, and ignoring data 
> > which did not. This is not the way a scientist
> approaches testing a 
> > hypothesis and shows the person behaving in such a
> manner is a 
> > propagandist -- not a responsible scientist.
> >
> > I recall seeing a good paper by Andy Hull,
> published in some IAEA 
> > publication back in the late 1970s after Andy's
> presentation at an 
> > international meeting sponsored by the UN.  Andy
> Hull of Brookhaven 
> > National Lab gave examples of how for any given
> nuclear plant selected for 
> > a Sternglass "study" to show a supposed health
> detriment, Sternglass would 
> > move a window [a slice or duration] of time along
> for that specific 
> > reactor until he found a time when some cancer
> rate went up for that brief 
> > period.
> >
> > Sternglass would then take his arbitrary slice of
> time and move it along 
> > for the given plant until some radioactive release
> was elevated at the 
> > particular reactor and then claim that the
> increase in cancer rate [in a 
> > small population of people based on a few cases in
> total] in that  brief 
> > interval of time caused the "cancer increase".  
> Dose did not matter. 
> > Induction period did not matter. Whether cancer
> rates went down for some 
> > equivalent intervals of time when plant releases
> went up did not matter. 
> > The point [and beauty of this antinuke approach]
> is a real increase in 
> > cancer rate over some meaningful period of time [a
> longer duration at a 
> > given reactor] isn't even necessary!!
> >
> > It is only necessary that some increase in
> detriment occur over a brief 
> > interval of time, even when the cancer rate when
> averaged out over a 
> > longer period of time shows no increase around the
> given reactor. Elegant 
> > in its simplicity and in its deceipt.
> >
> > Sometimes the effect claimed by the antinuke can
> be immediate. Mangano and 
> > some of his "associates" have made some absurd
> claims that a shutdown in a 
> > given reactor was followed by an immediate
> reduction in cancer rates 
> > around a given reactor.
> >
> > Mangano will someday be as debunked by
> professional organizations as 
> > Sternglass was 30 years ago. However, the
> criticism by these professional 
> > organizations will never get the press that the
> original claims received, 
> > because professional societies are not very good
> at manipulating the 
> > public, the media, or legislators.
> >
> > Unfortunately, as Mark Twain observed:
> >
> > A lie can race its way around the world while
> truth is still tying its 
> > shoes.
> >
> > The deceptions by Mangano, and others connected
> with the Tooth Fairy 
> > Project, could be easily debunked by any scientist
> with a basic 
> > understanding of epidemiology, environmental
> radiation from nuclear 
> > plants, and radiation bioeffects willing to spend
> enough time to make the 
> > effort. Unfortunately, nuclear organizations and
> government agencies do 
> > not generally commit even the minimal resources
> needed to allow a 
> > credible, capable scientist to do the necessary
> technical analysis of the 
> > false claims.
> >
> > After completing any such analysis debunking their
> critics, these same 
> > nuclear industry organizations would likely be
> unable, or unwilling, to 
> > act to get their analysis before the public for
> fear of actively joining 
> > in a fight that is in the interests of the
> organization sponsoring the 
> > vital critique.  Unfortunate, and ultimately part
> of the reason the 
> > nuclear power industry will likely never get as
> far as they hope with many 
> > of their future nuclear power plant projects. A
> regrettable situation and 
> > ultimately tragic considering the money wasted on
> delayed and dead ended 
> > projects, and the effects of the alternate forms
> of power generation with 
> > great environmental impacts which will be pursued,
> or the effects of not 
> > having enough energy when and where it is needed.
> >
> > 

+++++++++++++++++++
“All men dream, but not equally. Some dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds and wake in the day to find it is vanity. But the dreamers of the day are dangerous men for they may act their dream with open eyes to make it possible.”
Seven Pillars of Wisdom by T. E. Lawrence

-- John
John Jacobus, MS
Certified Health Physicist
e-mail:  crispy_bird at yahoo.com


       
____________________________________________________________________________________
Got a little couch potato? 
Check out fun summer activities for kids.
http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz