[ RadSafe ] Mangano's New Study

[Peter Bossew]

Flood, John wrote:
> I've been posting this message intermittently for about ten years now -
> the major problem we have with discussing radiation and its effects with
> the anti's is that we are talking about science and they are talking
> about religion.  They BELIEVE - they have FAITH - they know in their
> hearts that every photon is a killer.  Physics, biology, and medicine
> are irrelevant. And anyone who dares to oppose their beliefs gets
> treated the way any zealot treats a blasphemer.
>   

Very true. Exactly.

People *believe* in astrology, UFOs, religion, the universal benefit of 
free market, WMDs in Iraq, a person who calls himself reborn Christian 
or the like (I remember, when that came out, whole Europe was rolling on 
the floor laughing), superiority of a race, patridiotism, the 72 
virgins, etc etc etc, because they *want* to believe it. They want to 
believe it, not because they are idiots, but because they feel it helps 
them coming to terms with, otherwise inconceivable, reality. A person 
who *believes* something, because he or she *wants* to believe it, is 
inaccessible to enlightenment, and will always find an argument why the 
critique actually proves his or her case, and why therefore 
enlightenment is an emanation of the devil. Paranoia has nothing to do 
with intelligence, but is a way of constructing an infallible (through 
self-sufficient logic) 'Ersatz-Über Ich', where real reference persons 
are constantly failing, and as such an unconscious process. (Btw., I 
happen to live only a few 100 m away from Sigmund Freud's house, 
Berggasse 19.)

I would like to add, compared to the above examples, *believing* in 
killer photons (ha ha, that reminds me the killer tomatoes), DU as the 
evil of the world, or likewise, hormesis or 4th generation NPPs as 
panacea of everything, appears quite harmless to me.

Peter Bossew
(European left-wing anarchist etc etc & obviously intellectual 
troglodyte. Kunikos.)


"Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have 
others."
Groucho Marx



> John R. (Bob) Flood
> Radiological Health
> Nevada Test Site
> (702) 295-2514 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On
> Behalf Of Sandy Perle
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 7:09 AM
> To: 'John Jacobus'; radsafe at radlab.nl
> Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Mangano's New Study
>
> John makes a good point. No matter what political or other persuasion
> one
> subscribes to, the fact for the majority is that they do believe what
> they
> preach, and it's not just an agenda or that they're playing a devil's
> advocate role to further the debate. They truly believe what they
> preach. As
> I mentioned previously, Dick Toohey gives an excellent presentation
> titled,
> Why No One Believes Us: Cognitive Neuroscience and Radiation Risk. It
> provides excellent examples and factors for this reality.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On
> Behalf
> Of John Jacobus
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 6:38 AM
> To: radsafe at radlab.nl
> Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Mangano's New Study
>
> Why do you think they have a "left-wing extremist
> ideology?"  Is it possible they believe the data is
> true?  If so, then all the arguements and explanations
> you present will not change their minds.  
>
> I would suggest reading "Why People Believe Weird
> Things: Pseudoscience, Superstition, and Other
> Confusions of Our Time,"  
> http://www.amazon.com/People-Believe-Weird-Things-Pseudoscience/dp/08050
> 7089
> 3/ref=sr_1_1/103-7576284-3301444?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1183469614&sr=8-1
>
>
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