AW: [ RadSafe ] DU Proven Deadly To Human Bronchial Cells

Sat May 12 18:08:33 CDT 2007

Mike, 

Yes, you are absolutely right - but what does it help? Also in this case we
are confronted with "Don't confuse me with facts, I made up my mind."

It is correct, that uranium as a heavy metal is poisonous. It is correct
that its chemotoxic properties are far more pronounced than its
radioactivity. It is correct, that DU is less radioactive than natural
uranium and therefore less radiotoxic. It is correct, that sodium chloride
(aka table salt) is very poisonous and even deadly if used in large
quantities. It is correct, that uranium is abundant everywhere in our
ecosystems. But: "Don't confuse me with facts, I made up my mind."

Do you really think that the public will care about the gram, milligram,
microgram per square centimeter? Do you actually believe that more than 0.1%
of the population will understand what a microgram is? Any arguments on
those "technical issues" will be totally in vain. Scientists (real ones)
have no good reputation - they are "known" to support and even been paid by
the government! 

I know that I am now absolutely cynical, but if one would want to counter
these anti-DU-freaks in the perception of the public one would have to find
out that they have used money collected fraudulently for speculations at the
stock market, having conducted sexual harrasments and having supported
islamic terrorists. I don't think they have! The case seems to be hopeless
for the USA, since I understood from another post, that even some US
churches get involved into the anti-DU business.

Do you want to have all those DU-freaks declared insane? You might be right,
but I wish you good luck with such a proposal!

This does in no way change my opinion that the wars in question are
unnecessary and unauthorized. Not waging these wars would make any
discussion obsolete. The attitude of the persons involved in the
anti-DU-crusade to "forget" about the use of DU in other conflicts like in
the Balkans and in Kuwait is disgusting and reveals the self-serving purpose
of their activities.  

Best regards,

Franz

This message was sent on Sunday, 13 May 2007, 1:08 middle European Summer
Time.

Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
AUSTRIA

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] Im Auftrag
von Brennan, Mike (DOH)
Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Mai 2007 17:48
An: radsafelist
Betreff: RE: [ RadSafe ] DU Proven Deadly To Human Bronchial Cells

I was wondering about their procedure and its validity, but I knew that
using natural uranium invalidated the experiment as far as concluding
anything about depleted uranium.  It doesn't surprise me that there are
questions about other aspects of this "experiment", too.

I've encountered this with work by "activist scientists" before: They
sample an new medium, or sample and process in a different way, or
interpret the results in a way at odds with the rest of the community
(including the lab that did the work), they don't collect background
samples, and in general do work that is not comparable to any previous
work, and is not likely to be reproduced by anyone else, then trumpet
that they found something.  Usually, even when the errors in their
experiment are glaring no one calls them on it. 

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On
Behalf Of Otto G. Raabe
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 1:47 PM
To: Roger Helbig; radsafelist
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] DU Proven Deadly To Human Bronchial Cells

At 09:29 AM 5/10/2007, Otto G. Raabe wrote:
>At 02:37 AM 5/10/2007, Roger Helbig wrote:
>
>>Subject:  DU Proven Deadly To Human Bronchial Cells Particulate 
>>Depleted Uranium Is Cytotoxic and Clastogenic to Human Lung Cells 
>>Sandra S. Wise, W. Douglas Thompson, AbouEl-Makarim Aboueissa, Michael

>>D. Mason, and John Pierce Wise, Sr.*
>*********************************

>May 10, 2007

The official Pub Med abstract reads

"We assessed the clastogenicity of these compounds and found that at
concentrations of 0, 0.5, 1, and 5 mug/cm2 UO3, 5, 6, 10, and 15% of
metaphase cells exhibit some form of chromosome damage. " Obviously,
5 micrograms per square centimeter is not a "concentration".  The rest
of their stuff is in molar concentrations. It is not really possible to
figure out what this means or what was the actual form of the uranyl
oxide "particles" suspended in acetone after being heated to body
temperature and subjected to degradation processes.

>Otto

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