[ RadSafe ] Re: radsafe Digest, Vol 121, Issue 5

Mark Sonter sontermj at tpg.com.au
Sat Nov 24 04:06:04 CST 2007


Ranger Uranium Mine, Northern Territory, Australia, commenced operation 
1979.  Produces about 5,000 tpa U3O8. Open pit, 0.3% U3O8 grade.

Gotta say from direct knowledge that the Project Increment radiation at 
the fenceline is too small to measure directly and is modelled to be a 
tiny fraction of Natural Background. Nearest population centres are 
Jabiru about 15 km to west and Mudginberri about 10 km to north.

Said to be the most monitored and supervised indeed invigilated mining 
operation in the world.

Mark Sonter

Radiation Advice & Solutions Pty Ltd,   abn 31 891 761 435
Asteroid Enterprises Pty Ltd,   abn 53 008 115 302

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South Maclean
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>    1. radon exhalation from building material (Franz Sch?nhofer)
>    2. Re: radon exhalation from building material (John R Johnson)
>    3. For the LOBA man, sizing up the Nuclear Power?s competition
>       (ROY HERREN)
>    4. Ranger uranium company in Australia & cancer clusters among
>       aborigines (Bjorn Cedervall)
>    5. Re: Ranger uranium company in Australia & cancer clusters
>       among aborigines (John Jacobus)
>    6. Re: Ranger uranium company in Australia & cancer	clusters
>       among aborigines (Steven Dapra)
>    7. Skin Injuries To Patients Can Be Avoided When Radiation	Dose
>       Is Monitored (alstonchris at netscape.net)
>    8. Re: Skin Injuries To Patients Can Be Avoided When	Radiation
>       Dose Is Monitored (John Jacobus)
>    9. "SKIN DOSE" Monitoring (SBalter at aol.com)
>   10. Re: Ranger uranium company in Australia & cancer	clusters
>       among aborigines (Maury Siskel)
>   11. MCNP question (Xiaoqian Wen)
>   12. RE: Ranger uranium company in Australia &	cancer	clusters
>       among aborigines (Dan W McCarn)
>   13. Re: Ranger uranium company in Australia & cancer clusters
>       among aborigines (Maury Siskel)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 23:44:38 +0100
> From: Franz Sch?nhofer <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] radon exhalation from building material
> To: "RADSAFE" <radsafe at radlab.nl>,	<norm-tenorm at yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: "Alexander Brandl \(Alexander Brandl\)"
> 	<alexander.brandl at arcs.ac.at>
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> 
> Dear collegues,
> 
>  
> 
> A friend of mine needs literature about radon exhalation, measurement
> methods and data about exhalation coefficients in various building
> materials.
> 
>  
> 
> If you can provide any information please contact him directly at
> alexander.brandl at arcs.ac.at.
> 
>  
> 
> Best regards,
> 
>  
> 
> Franz
> 
>  
> 
> Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
> 
> MinRat i.R.
> 
> Habicherg. 31/7
> 
> A-1160 Wien/Vienna
> 
> AUSTRIA
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 16:29:06 -0800
> From: John R Johnson <idias at interchange.ubc.ca>
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] radon exhalation from building material
> To: Franz Sch?nhofer <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>,	"Alexander Brandl
> 	(Alexander Brandl)" <alexander.brandl at arcs.ac.at>
> Cc: norm-tenorm at yahoogroups.com, RADSAFE <radsafe at radlab.nl>
> Message-ID: <6A1E983F93184244AD6F426EFC3BCEA1 at JohnPC>
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> 
> Franz and Alexander
> 
> I've "copied and pasted" some references below,
> 
> 
> 1) Measurement of Radon and Radon Daughters in Air.  NCRP Report No. 97 
> (1988)
> 
> 
> 2) Sources and Effects of Ionizing Radiation, UNSCEAR, 1993
> 
> 
> 3) Table of Isotopes, Sixth Edition, 1967
> 
> 
> 
> 4)      BEIR IV, Health Risks of Radon and Other Internally Deposited 
> Alpha-Emitters, 1988
> 
> 
> 
> 5)      ICRP, Protection Against Radon-222 at Home and at Work, Pub. 65, 
> 1993
> 
> 
> 
> 6)      ICRP, Human Respiratory Tract Model for Radiological Protection, 
> Pub. 66, 1994
> 
> 
> 
> 7)       A. C. James, A Birchall and G Akabani, Comparative Dosimetry of 
> BEIR VI Revisited, RPD Vol. 108, pp 3-26, 2003
> 
> 
> 
> 8)      Cardiovascular Mortality Caused by Exposure to Radon, J. R. Johnson 
> and P. Duport, IRPA-11, 2004
> 
> 
> 
> 9)      S. Darby, P. McGale, R. Peto, F. Grannath, P. Hall and A. Ekbom, 
> Mortality from cardiovascular disease more than 10 years after radiotherapy 
> for breast cancer, Brit. Med. J.; Vol. 326 pp 256-257, 2003
> 
> 
> 
> 10)  P. J. Villeneuve and H. J. Morrison, Coronary heart disease mortality 
> among Newfoundland fluorspar miners, Scand. J. Work Environ Health Vol. 23 
> pp 221-226, 1997
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 11)  International Intercalibration and Intercomparison, Part 1, Radon 
> Measurement, OECD, 1986
> 
> 
> 
> 12)  International Intercalibration and Intercomparison, Part 2, Radon 
> Daughter Measurement, OECD, 1988
> 
> 
> 
> 13)  Part 7 Noise, Vibration, Radiation and Temperature; OHS Regulations
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 14)  Technical and Quality Assurance Requirements for Dosimetry Services, 
> S-106, Revision 1, 2006
> 
> 
> 
> 15)  Canadian Guidelines for the Management of Naturally Occurring 
> Radioactive Materials (NORM).
> 
> 
> 
> 16)  Strom and Reif, Occupational Exposure to Radon and Thoron, PNNL-14108, 
> 1996.
> 
> 
> 
> 17)  Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency, RPS No 1, 
> 2002           (available on http://www.arpansa.gov.au/pubs/rps/rps1.pdf
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 18)  World Health Organization, Report of the 2nd meeting of the WHO 
> International Radon Project, 2006.
> 
> 
> 
> 19)  World Health Organization, Establishment of Environment and Health
> 
>             Information System Supporting Policy-Making in Europe, 2006
> 
> 
> 
> 20)  UNSCEAR 1988 Report, Annex A, Sources, Effects and Risks of Ionizing 
> Radiation).
> 
> 
> 
> 21)  Protection Against Radon-222 at Home and at Work, ICRP Publication 65, 
> 1993
> 
> 
> 
> This is probably more than you want or need!
> 
> 
> 
> John
> 
> ***************
> John R Johnson, PhD
> CEO, IDIAS, Inc.
> 4535 West 9th Ave
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> (604) 222-9840
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Franz Schönhofer" <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
> To: "RADSAFE" <radsafe at radlab.nl>; <norm-tenorm at yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: "Alexander Brandl (Alexander Brandl)" <alexander.brandl at arcs.ac.at>
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:44 PM
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] radon exhalation from building material
> 
> 
>> Dear collegues,
>>
>>
>>
>> A friend of mine needs literature about radon exhalation, measurement
>> methods and data about exhalation coefficients in various building
>> materials.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you can provide any information please contact him directly at
>> alexander.brandl at arcs.ac.at.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Franz
>>
>>
>>
>> Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
>>
>> MinRat i.R.
>>
>> Habicherg. 31/7
>>
>> A-1160 Wien/Vienna
>>
>> AUSTRIA
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 21:02:41 -0800 (PST)
> From: ROY HERREN <royherren2005 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] For the LOBA man, sizing up the Nuclear Power?s
> 	competition
> To: radsafe at radlab.nl
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>  Public release date: 21-Nov-2007
> 
> Contact: Stephanie Kenitzer
> kenitzer at ametsoc.org
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> American Meteorological Society 
>   The power of multiples: Connecting wind farms can make a more reliable - and cheaper - power source    Wind power, long considered to be as fickle as wind itself, can be groomed to become a steady, dependable source of electricity and delivered at a lower cost than at present, according to scientists at Stanford University. 
>   The key is connecting wind farms throughout a given geographic area with transmission lines, thus combining the electric outputs of the farms into one powerful energy source. The findings are published in the November issue of the American Meteorological Society’s Journal of Applied Meteorology and Climatology. 
>   Wind is the world’s fastest growing electric energy source, according to the study’s authors, Cristina Archer and Mark Jacobson. However, because wind is intermittent, it is not used to supply baseload electric power today. Baseload power is the amount of steady and reliable electric power that is constantly being produced, typically by power plants, regardless of the electricity demand. But interconnecting wind farms with a transmission grid reduces the power swings caused by wind variability and makes a significant portion of it just as consistent a power source as a coal power plant. 
>   “This study implies that, if interconnected wind is used on a large scale, a third or more of its energy can be used for reliable electric power, and the remaining intermittent portion can be used for transportation, allowing wind to solve energy, climate and air pollution problems simultaneously,” said Archer, the study’s lead author and a consulting assistant professor in Stanford’s Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering and research associate in the Department of Global Ecology of the Carnegie Institution. 
>   It’s a bit like having a bunch of hamsters generating your power, each in a separate cage with a treadmill. At any given time, some hamsters will be sleeping or eating and some will be running on their treadmill. If you have only one hamster, the treadmill is either turning or it isn’t, so the power’s either on or off. With two hamsters, the odds are better that one will be on a treadmill at any given point in time and your chances of running, say, your blender, go up. Get enough hamsters together and the odds are pretty good that at least a few will always be on the treadmill, cranking out the kilowatts. 
>   The combined output of all the hamsters will vary, depending on how many are on treadmills at any one time, but there will be a certain level of power that is always being generated, even as different hamsters hop on or off their individual treadmills. That’s the reliable baseload power.
>   The connected wind farms would operate the same way. 
>   “The idea is that, while wind speed could be calm at a given location, it could be gusty at others. By linking these locations together we can smooth out the differences and substantially improve the overall performance,” Archer said.
>   As one might expect, not all locations make sense for wind farms. Only locations with strong winds are economically competitive. In their study, Archer and Jacobson, a professor of civil and environmental engineering at Stanford, evaluated 19 sites in the Midwestern United States, with annual average wind speeds greater than 6.9 meters per second at a height of 80 meters above ground, the hub height of modern wind turbines. Modern turbines are 80-100 meters high, approximately the height of a 30-story building, and their blades are 70 meters long or more. 
>   The researchers used hourly wind data, collected and quality-controlled by the National Weather Service, for the entire year of 2000 from the 19 sites in the Midwestern United States. They found that an average of 33 percent and a maximum of 47 percent of yearly-averaged wind power from interconnected farms can be used as reliable, baseload electric power. These percentages would hold true for any array of 10 or more wind farms, provided it met the minimum wind speed and turbine height criteria used in the study.
>   Another benefit of connecting multiple wind farms is reducing the total distance that all the power has to travel from the multiple points of origin to the destination point. Interconnecting multiple wind farms to a common point and then connecting that point to a far-away city reduces the cost of transmission. 
>   It’s the same as having lots of streams and creeks join together to form a river that flows out to sea, rather than having each creek flow all the way to the coast by carving out its own little channel.
>   Another type of cost saving also results when the power combines to flow in a single transmission line. Explains Archer: Suppose a power company wanted to bring power from several independent farms—each with a maximum capacity of, say, 1,500 kilowatts (kW) —from the Midwest to California. Each farm would need a short transmission line of 1,500 kW brought to a common point in the Midwest. Then they would need a larger transmission line between the common point and California—typically with a total capacity of 1,500 kW multiplied by the number of independent farms connected. 
>   However, with geographically dispersed farms, it is unlikely that they would simultaneously be experiencing strong enough winds to each produce their 1,500kW maximum output at the same time. Thus, the capacity of the long-distance transmission line could be reduced significantly with only a small loss in overall delivered power.
>   The more wind farms connected to the common point in the Midwest, the greater the reduction in long-distance transmission capacity that is possible. 
>   “Due to the high cost of long-distance transmission, a 20 percent reduction in transmission capacity with little delivered power loss would notably reduce the cost of wind energy,” added Archer, who calculated the decrease in delivered power to be only about 1.6 percent. 
>   With only one farm, a 20 percent reduction in long-distance transmission capacity would decrease delivered power by 9.8 percent—not a 20 percent reduction, because the farm is not producing its maximum possible output all the time. 
>   Archer said that if the United States and other countries each started to organize the siting and interconnection of new wind farms based on a master plan, the power supply could be smoothed out and transmission requirements could be reduced, decreasing the cost of wind energy. This could result in the large-scale market penetration of wind energy—already the most inexpensive clean renewable electric power source—which could contribute significantly to an eventual solution to global warming, as well as reducing deaths from urban air pollution.
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> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:01:23 +0000
> From: Bjorn Cedervall <bcradsafers at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] Ranger uranium company in Australia & cancer
> 	clusters among aborigines
> To: <radsafe at radlab.nl>
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> Does my subject line ring any bells?
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> If you have any information on this topic, please comment, send links
> or whatever so I can become aquainted with any facts.
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> My personal initiative only,
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> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 07:01:23 -0800 (PST)
> From: John Jacobus <crispy_bird at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Ranger uranium company in Australia & cancer
> 	clusters	among aborigines
> To: Bjorn Cedervall <bcradsafers at hotmail.com>, radsafe at radlab.nl
> Message-ID: <714588.5951.qm at web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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> Bjorn,
> Facts or speculation?  Cancer clusters are a known
> phenomenon.
> http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/clusters
> 
> --- Bjorn Cedervall <bcradsafers at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Does my subject line ring any bells?
>>  
>> If you have any information on this topic, please
>> comment, send links
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>> facts.
>>  
>> My personal initiative only,
>>  
>> Bjorn Cedervall   bcradsafers at hotmail.com
>>  
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> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:19:19 -0700
> From: Steven Dapra <sjd at swcp.com>
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Ranger uranium company in Australia & cancer
> 	clusters among aborigines
> To: Bjorn Cedervall <bcradsafers at hotmail.com>, <radsafe at radlab.nl>
> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.1.20071123091102.009ed770 at mail.swcp.com>
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> Nov. 23
> 
>          Try doing a Google search for "Ranger" "cancer" "uranium" and 
> "aborigines" (these four words at the same time).  I did, and received 
> about 540 answers, too much to send comments or links.
> 
> Steven Dapra
> 
> 
> 
> At 02:01 PM 11/23/07 +0000, Bjorn Cedervall wrote:
> 
>> Does my subject line ring any bells?
>>
>> If you have any information on this topic, please comment, send links
>> or whatever so I can become aquainted with any facts.
>>
>> My personal initiative only,
>>
>> Bjorn Cedervall   bcradsafers at hotmail.com
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:36:32 -0500
> From: alstonchris at netscape.net
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] Skin Injuries To Patients Can Be Avoided When
> 	Radiation	Dose Is Monitored
> To: sandyfl at cox.net, radsafe at radlab.nl
> Message-ID: <8C9FC0623F8A7EA-4E0-137D at MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com>
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> Folks
> 
> Dr. Chida is mistaken, in principle.  The PEMNET system, which allows 
> real-time monitoring of both dose rate and cumulative dose in 
> fluoroscopy, has been available for many years.  One caveat: I don't  
> know that it's sold in Japan.
> 
> Cheers
> cja
> 
> 
> Angioplasty, is a procedure that helps treat narrowed coronary arteries.
> "Many patients benefit greatly from procedures such as angioplasty, 
> however,
> a major disadvantage associated with these procedures is patient 
> radiation
> exposure," said Koichi Chida, PhD, lead author of the study. "In most
> cardiac interventional procedures, real-time monitoring of maximum skin 
> dose
> is not possible," however monitoring total entrance skin radiation dose 
> is,
> Dr. Chida said.
> 
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:11:30 -0800 (PST)
> From: John Jacobus <crispy_bird at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Skin Injuries To Patients Can Be Avoided When
> 	Radiation Dose Is Monitored
> To: alstonchris at netscape.net, sandyfl at cox.net, radsafe at radlab.nl
> Message-ID: <240260.83362.qm at web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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> 
> I am not sure about the PEMMET, but my understanding
> is that you cannot buy x-ray units in Europe without a
> DAP (dose area product) device.  Again, the values are
> DAP values are not entrance skin doses, as the
> measurements are made at the exit of the x-ray tube.
> One needs to take into account the distance to the
> skin surface.  
> 
> Skin dose and dose-area product values in patients
> undergoing intracoronary brachytherapy.
>  Br J Radiol.  2003; 76(901):32-8 (ISSN: 0007-1285)
> Vano E; Prieto C; Fernandez JM; Gonzalez L; Sabate M;
> Galvan C
> Interventional Cardiology Service, San Carlos
> University Hospital, 28040 Madrid, Spain.
> 
> Entrance skin doses, dose-area product (DAP) values,
> fluoroscopy times and digital cine acquisition data
> were measured for 86 patients undergoing intracoronary
> brachytherapy procedures with beta sources, to
> estimate risk of skin injuries. Interventions were
> carried out in three dedicated X-ray interventional
> cardiology rooms equipped with X-ray systems operating
> in pulsed modes, with high filtration and edge filter
> options. Skin dose distribution was analysed in detail
> in 56 patients using slow films and thermoluminescent
> dosimetry. Digital recording of Digital Imaging and
> Communications in Medicine cine images also allowed
> analysis of the technical parameters used throughout
> the procedures. A protocol for clinical follow-up of
> these patients at the cardiology service is also
> presented, which prescribes special attention when a
> threshold dose is reached. Median values for DAP,
> fluoroscopy time and number of frames were 81.2 Gy
> cm(2), 17.5 min and 1569 frames, respectively, and
> maximum values were 323.3 Gy cm(2), 46.2 min and 3213
> frames, respectively. In two cases, maximum skin doses
> in a procedure reached 3.5 Gy and 4.6 Gy. Comparing
> median values in this study, intracoronary
> brachytherapy involved approximately two-fold the DAP
> used in percutaneous transluminal coronary angioplasty
> procedures performed during the same period in the
> same catheterization laboratories, as a consequence of
> the need to monitor the radioactive source location
> used for the treatment of stenoses and the
> intravascular ultrasound. Special care must be paid in
> those cases of high dose in relation to potential
> patient skin injuries and late effects.
> 
> http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/12595323
> 
> --- alstonchris at netscape.net wrote:
> 
>> Folks
>>
>> Dr. Chida is mistaken, in principle.  The PEMNET
>> system, which allows 
>> real-time monitoring of both dose rate and
>> cumulative dose in 
>> fluoroscopy, has been available for many years.  One
>> caveat: I don't  
>> know that it's sold in Japan.
>>
>> Cheers
>> cja
>>
>>
>> Angioplasty, is a procedure that helps treat
>> narrowed coronary arteries.
>> "Many patients benefit greatly from procedures such
>> as angioplasty, 
>> however,
>> a major disadvantage associated with these
>> procedures is patient 
>> radiation
>> exposure," said Koichi Chida, PhD, lead author of
>> the study. "In most
>> cardiac interventional procedures, real-time
>> monitoring of maximum skin 
>> dose
>> is not possible," however monitoring total entrance
>> skin radiation dose 
>> is,
>> Dr. Chida said.
>>
> 
> +++++++++++++++++++
> "If you guard your toothbrushes and diamonds with equal zeal, you'll probably lose fewer toothbrushes and more diamonds."
> - Former national security advised McGeorge Bundy
> -- John
> John Jacobus, MS
> Certified Health Physicist
> e-mail:  crispy_bird at yahoo.com
> 
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 12:27:28 EST
> From: SBalter at aol.com
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] "SKIN DOSE" Monitoring
> To: radsafe at radlab.nl
> Message-ID: <bbd.27889013.34786780 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> 
> Actually, all fluroscopes manufactured after June 06 and sold in the US  must 
> have the means to measure accumulated dose at a defined reference point  (fda 
> regs)
>  
> Steve Balter
> 
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:44:16 -0600
> From: Maury Siskel <maurysis at peoplepc.com>
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Ranger uranium company in Australia & cancer
> 	clusters	among aborigines
> To: Steven Dapra <sjd at swcp.com>
> Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl
> Message-ID: <474781F0.4000700 at peoplepc.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Apparently Ranger is a mine, not a company name. I'm still working on it 
> but finally just found this one when mining resumed in 2004 --
> 
> http://newsroom.nt.gov.au/2004/20040401_ranger.shtml
> 
> more to follow ....
> Maury&Dog
> 
> ========================
> 
> Steven Dapra wrote:
> 
>> Nov. 23
>>
>>         Try doing a Google search for "Ranger" "cancer" "uranium" and 
>> "aborigines" (these four words at the same time).  I did, and received 
>> about 540 answers, too much to send comments or links.
>>
>> Steven Dapra
>>
>> At 02:01 PM 11/23/07 +0000, Bjorn Cedervall wrote:
>>
>>> Does my subject line ring any bells?
>>>
>>> If you have any information on this topic, please comment, send links
>>> or whatever so I can become aquainted with any facts.
>>>
>>> My personal initiative only,
>>>
>>> Bjorn Cedervall   bcradsafers at hotmail.com
>>>
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:23:34 -0500 (EST)
> From: Xiaoqian Wen <wenxa at email.uc.edu>
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] MCNP question
> To: radsafe at radlab.nl
> Message-ID: <20071123212334.BQB80672 at mirapoint.uc.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Hi, All,
> 
> I have a question about mesh tally plotting using the MCNP5 z. Here attached my input file (test). After I run my input file, I got three  files (testo, meshtal, and testr). However, I don't know how to get the plot. I am wondering anyone could give me some help/any suggestion. Thanks!
> 
> Carol 
> -------------- next part --------------
> c cell cards
> 1  1 -1.837 1 -2 -3                           imp:p=1            $source core
> 2  2 -8.02 4 -5 -6 #1                        imp:p=1            $source capsule
> 3  3 -0.00125 7 -8 -9 #1 #2             imp:p=1            $space
> 4  2 -8.02 10 -11 -12 #1 #2 #3        imp:p=1            $steel tube
> 5  3 -0.00125 12 -15 17 -18 19 -20 -21 imp:p=1       $window
> 6  4 -11.34 -15 13 -14 #1 #2 #3 #4 #5             imp:p=1            $lead shield
> 7  3 -0.00125 -16 #1 #2 #3 #4 #5 #6             imp:p=1            $room, dry air
> 8  0 16         imp:p=0
> 
> c surface cards
> c source core
> 1    pz -0.3        $source core 
> 2    pz 0.3         
> 3    cz 0.3        $source core 
> c source container
> 4    pz -0.6       $source container height 
> 5    pz 0.6
> 6    cz 0.4         $source container 
> c tube
> 7    pz -5.125
> 8    pz 5.125
> 9   cz 0.5175
> 10  pz -5.55
> 11  pz 5.55
> 12  cz 0.625
> c lead shield height; 13 inches, diameter: 8 inches
> 13    pz -16.51
> 14    pz 16.51
> 15   cz 10.16
> 16   rpp -182.88 182.88 -365.76 121.92 -91.44 152.4     $room: rpp Xmin(6feet) 
> c Xmax(6feet) Ymin(12feet) Ymax(4feet) Zmin(3feet) Zmax(5feet)
> c square apenture
> 17   p 0 -6.452 -36.576 -21.613
> 18   p 0 6.452 -36.576 21.613
> 19   p 36.576 -6.452 0 -21.613
> 20   p 36.576 6.452 0 21.613
> 21   py 0
> 
> c data cards
> mode p                          $ photon transport
> m1     17000 0.5   $chloride
> m2     26000 1     $steel
> m3     6000 -0.00014 7000 -0.75519 8000 -0.23179 18000 -0.01288      $ Dry Air 0.00125 g/cm^3
> m4     82000 1                        $lead                   
> phys:p  4j 1
> c source specification    
> sdef   par=2 erg=0.662 cel=1 pos=0 0 0 rad=d1 axs=0 0 1 ext=d2
> c pos=reference point for sampling position, rad=radial distance from pos, 
> c ext=distance from pos along axs, axs=reference vector for ext, cel=starting cell number
> si1     h 0 0.3    $si1 0 r
> sp1   -21 1          $sampling density is proportional to r
> si2    h -0.3 0.3         
> sp2   -21 0
> f5:p    0 -100 0 0
> fm5     25.68e+7 3 -5 -6
> fmesh4:p origin=-182.88 -365.76 -91.44
>                imesh=182.88 iints=8
>                jmesh=0 121.92 jints=10 4
>                kmesh=0 152.4 kints=4 6
>                factor=25.68e+7 3 -5 -6
>                out=ij                                                                                                 
> nps     100000
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:48:22 -0600
> From: Dan W McCarn <hotgreenchile at gmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Ranger uranium company in Australia &	cancer
> 	clusters	among aborigines
> To: "'Maury Siskel'" <maurysis at peoplepc.com>, "'Steven Dapra'"
> 	<sjd at swcp.com>
> Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl
> Message-ID: <000a01c82e55$3edfc790$bc9f56b0$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Hi Folks:
> 
> Ranger is a name for an Upper Proterozoic, unconformity-related uranium
> deposit near Jabiluka operated by the company, ERA - Energy Resources of
> Australia Ltd, owned by Rio Tinto.  The mine produces about 10% of the world
> annual reactor-related demand.  It's high on the "target" list for
> anti-nuclear groups.
> 
> Dan ii
> 
> Dan W McCarn, Geologist
> Albuquerque & Houston
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On Behalf
> Of Maury Siskel
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 7:44 PM
> To: Steven Dapra
> Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Ranger uranium company in Australia & cancer
> clusters among aborigines
> 
> Apparently Ranger is a mine, not a company name. I'm still working on it 
> but finally just found this one when mining resumed in 2004 --
> 
> http://newsroom.nt.gov.au/2004/20040401_ranger.shtml
> 
> more to follow ....
> Maury&Dog
> 
> ========================
> 
> Steven Dapra wrote:
> 
>> Nov. 23
>>
>>         Try doing a Google search for "Ranger" "cancer" "uranium" and 
>> "aborigines" (these four words at the same time).  I did, and received 
>> about 540 answers, too much to send comments or links.
>>
>> Steven Dapra
>>
>> At 02:01 PM 11/23/07 +0000, Bjorn Cedervall wrote:
>>
>>> Does my subject line ring any bells?
>>>
>>> If you have any information on this topic, please comment, send links
>>> or whatever so I can become aquainted with any facts.
>>>
>>> My personal initiative only,
>>>
>>> Bjorn Cedervall   bcradsafers at hotmail.com
>>>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:47:27 -0600
> From: Maury Siskel <maurysis at peoplepc.com>
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Ranger uranium company in Australia & cancer
> 	clusters	among aborigines
> To: Bjorn Cedervall <bcradsafers at hotmail.com>
> Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl
> Message-ID: <4747E51F.8030108 at peoplepc.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Sorry, still nothing on cancers or a cancer cluster. Still looking ....
> Cheers,
> Maury&Dog
> ===========================
> 
> http://www.environment.gov.au/ssd/publications/ssr/185.html
> 
> Summary
> 
>     * Download the full report
> 
> Energy Resources of Australia (ERA), the operator of the Ranger uranium 
> mine in the Northern Territory, advised the Assistant Secretary of the 
> Office of the Supervising Scientist by telephone on 5 February 2004 that 
> an incident had occurred in which two small earth-moving vehicles, 
> called 'bobcats', had been returned in a mildly contaminated condition 
> to the workplace of the Community Development and Employment Project 
> (CDEP) in Jabiru. Written notification of the incident was provided by 
> e-mail on the following day. The telephone notification described the 
> contaminated material as being of 'low activity' and the incident was 
> initially treated as being of a relatively minor nature.
> 
> On 29 March 2004, the Supervising Scientist was informed by a staff 
> member of the Gundjeihmi Aboriginal Corporation that the manager of the 
> CDEP was concerned about the incident and wished to meet with the 
> Supervising Scientist to discuss the issue. The Supervising Scientist 
> met with staff of CDEP on 30 March 2004 and, following discussion of the 
> CDEP concerns, agreed to investigate the incident and to provide a 
> report on completion of the investigation.
> 
> The investigation has revealed that there were at least three occasions 
> on which vehicles left the Ranger mine site without adequate radiation 
> clearance during 2003 and 2004. This report contains the results of the 
> Supervising Scientist's investigation of the circumstances under which 
> these vehicles left the Ranger mine and his assessment of the likely 
> impact on the health of members of the public who were exposed to 
> radioactive material contained on these vehicles.
> 
> =================================
> 
> Bjorn Cedervall wrote:
> 
>> Does my subject line ring any bells?
>>
>> If you have any information on this topic, please comment, send links
>> or whatever so I can become aquainted with any facts.
>>
>> My personal initiative only,
>>
>> Bjorn Cedervall   bcradsafers at hotmail.com
>>
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