[ RadSafe ] Re: EMPs correction Shahab speed question

Maury Siskel maurysis at peoplepc.com
Sat Aug 2 18:03:12 CDT 2008

Just for perspective, here are the data for the old V2 weapon of WW2. 
For EMP applications, note the altitude peak. V2 range was not 
sufficient for Iran to Israel , but other launch point obviously are 
available. One point is that we are not talking some terribly 
sophistocated weapon system here ...

The motor typically burned for 60 seconds, pushing the rocket to around 
4,400 ft/second (1341 m/sec). It rose to an altitude of 52 to 60 miles 
(83 to 93 km) and had a range of 200 to 225 miles (321 to 362 km). The 
V2 carried an explosive warhead (Amatol Fp60/40) weighing approximately 
738 kg (1 ton) that was capable of flattening a city block.
Source: http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/7091

Richard D. Urban Jr. wrote:

>I can only hope we can by the time this truly becomes a possible issue...  too many links to post, but... for those who posited this was of little concern...
>http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/6721434-3paxB8/6721434.PDF    for a 1993 report on EMP weapon effect on the US power grid.
>http://stinet.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA424218&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf    for a 2004 Masters research report on same for the USA War College
>http://www.fas.org/nsp/bmd/     for Ballistic Missile Defense options.
>*** Correction to my earlier post, 4320 mph is for Reentry Vehicle (warhead) velocity.  Missile speed is something more along the lines of 15,000 to 17,000 mph.  As a note, surface/air burst warhead delivery from Iran to Jerusalem for a Shahab-3 is estimated to be 11 to 14 minutes, from several different sources.  This is NOT a High Altitude EMP weapon.  
>Again, my calc of 161 seconds was based on flight of approx 1000 mile distance (launcher to 300 mile altitude above 900 mile distant ground zero, straight line), ballparked based on report of 620 mile downrange flight in 100 seconds.
>Draw your own conclusions.
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "Louis N. Molino, Sr." <LNMolino at aol.com>
>>Sent: Aug 1, 2008 1:23 PM
>>To: "Richard D. Urban Jr." <radmax at earthlink.net>, Radsafe <radsafe at radlab.nl>
>>Subject: Re: HAARPy Rosalie and EMPs correction Shahab speed question
>>But can they get on 200 miles offshore? If they did is 3 minutes enough for us to take it out? Those are the ????'S
>>------Original Message------
>>From: Richard D. Urban Jr.
>>To: Radsafe
>>To: Louis N.  Molino, Sr.
>>ReplyTo: Richard D. Urban Jr.
>>Sent: Aug 2, 2008 00:39
>>Subject: HAARPy Rosalie and EMPs correction Shahab speed question
>>Dammit Louis, I'm a nuclear health physics technician, NOT a Rocket Scientist...;-)
>> "Iran carried out a second flight test of the Shahab-3 as noted in a Reuters news reports, in The Washington Times, July 16, 2000, on July 15, 2000 test which achieved a velocity of 4,320 mph (1,931.04 M/sec.) with a 1 ton warhead."
>> "On July 22,1998 Iran conducted the first flight test of the Shahab-3 MRBM... 'according to' the Washington Times, on July 24, 1998, "The missile exploded 100 seconds after launch ---- after having traveled about 620 miles (997.58 km. down range)"  (Altitude not given)
>> Shahab 3 Burn time (sec.) 110 
>> all above from http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/man/militarysumfolder/shahab-3.html
>>Lots of variables as to trajectory and payload weight, and I don't have the formulas close at hand, but conservativly back of the envelope...
>>Shahab could reach 300 mile altitude above Kansas City from 200 miles offshore, roughly 900 miles point to point, flight distance of roughly 950 miles ( SQR (900*900+300*300) = 948 mile ), so with acceleration of 0 mph to 4320 mph with only a 110 sec burn, and above info of 620 miles in 100 seconds * flight of 1000 miles  =   161 seconds 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: "Louis N. Molino, Sr." <LNMolino at aol.com>
>>>Sent: Jul 31, 2008 7:55 PM
>>>To: Radsafe <radsafe at radlab.nl>
>>>Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] HAARPy Rosalie and EMPs correction
>>>What's the flight time for this?
>>>LNM from Baku, Azerbaijan 

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