[ RadSafe ] Excess relative risk: LNT "Shorthand"

Tue Feb 19 10:39:38 CST 2008

Legislators, not regulators, do act like imbeciles.  Good point, Al.
How can we deregulate? When I asked this of George Gilder ("Microcosm", etc)
at the DDP meeting in Oakland last summer, he replied, "The Internet"

I still don't see how, but maybe internet innovated evasion, education and elections can
remove  regulations.

Howard Long 

----- Original Message ----
From: "Conklin, Al (DOH)" <Al.Conklin at DOH.WA.GOV>
To: Dan W McCarn <hotgreenchile at gmail.com>; John Jacobus <crispy_bird at yahoo.com>
Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 8:15:40 AM
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Excess relative risk: LNT "Shorthand"

Of my 32 years in the health physics business, I was a regulator for 16 of those years, and would like to point out that regulators, who are bureaucrats, are required to enforce regulations and laws set by the federal government and/or by their state legislators. That does not make them imbeciles. It's true that a few are, but so are some of those who are regulated. 

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On Behalf Of Dan W McCarn
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 10:41 AM
To: 'John Jacobus'
Cc: radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Excess relative risk: LNT "Shorthand"

No, dear friends!

The care and maintenance of a regulator takes years!  Visit them early and often, and be prepared to be teacher & professor and be patient with them.
The problem with a regulator is that by the time they are well trained and fed, they run off to the industry and become consultants!

Dan ii

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On Behalf Of John Jacobus
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 11:52 AM
To: Syd H. Levine; Franz Schönhofer; 'howard long'; radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Excess relative risk: LNT "Shorthand"

Syd,
  Can you cite any references what conclude that bureaucrats are imbeciles?
The science and technology associated with the development of laws and regulations are reflects in only 20%(?) of the results. 

"Syd H. Levine" <syd.levine at mindspring.com> wrote:
  The good Dr. Howard is talking about the regulators, not the engineers and

technical folks actually designing and building the NPP.

It is well understood after decades of unbiased research that a very high percentage of bureaucrats are imbeciles. Those on this list (and those who are personal friends) constitute the exception to the rule, of course.

As to the state of smarts in the EU as compared to the US...oh never mind.

Syd

----- Original Message -----
From: "Franz Schönhofer" 
To: "'howard long'" ; "'John Jacobus'" 
;
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 2:29 PM
Subject: AW: [ RadSafe ] Excess relative risk: LNT "Shorthand"

Howard,

Usually, when I answer one of your messages I receive that it is not possible to forward it to you. This might be because you have cut off my adress for receipt - no problem, anyway it is like in a recent thread there was a proposal to do this in case some recipients were offended by me.

You obviously do not know about how a nuclear reactor is built. I have very little experience and mostly from hear-say, but those people who design nuclear reactors are usually experts who know more than addition and substraction. I have heard about the problem of teaching calculus in the US
- absolutely ununderstandable for me (born 1944), because this was the absolute normal instruction which nobody ever would have questioned of being too difficult! I cannot believe that US pupils would be so much less qualified than I and my classmates were decades ago - or are they?

So what? Do you claim that all those scientists and enginneer planning for new nuclear power plants are idiots?

Franz

Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
AUSTRIA

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] Im Auftrag von howard long
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 14. Februar 2008 18:41
An: John Jacobus; radsafe at radlab.nl
Betreff: [ RadSafe ] Excess relative risk: LNT "Shorthand"

"Shorthand" LNT (Jacobus, below) burdens Nuclear power with dumb regulation, crippling the USA economy.

Should regulators, who impose 10 times the cost and time to build a reactor,

in graphs from Ted Rockwell's book, be allowed to so simplify for their own "shorthand"
convenience? Let them learn calculus instesd of imposing their simple arithmetic.

ALARA, which I used for my office x-rays, is simplistic but deadly when applied to the complex facilities needed in a nuclear age and may deprive people from Cameron's "essential trace energy".
Howard Long

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- Norman Augustine, Chairman of the National Academies Committee 

-- John
John Jacobus, MS
Certified Health Physicist
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