[ RadSafe ] HAARPy Rosalie and EMPs

Thu Jul 31 12:40:43 CDT 2008

I stand corrected on the number of weapons needed (though making a
missile-deliverable 20 MT weapon is a non-trivial challenge, even
compared to a missile-deliverable 20 KT weapon).   

-----Original Message-----
From: Riely, Brian P. [mailto:brian.riely at ngc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:28 AM
To: Brennan, Mike (DOH); radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] HAARPy Rosalie and EMPs

Mike

I agree that Dr. Graham's scenario is not credible; however, in theory
you can cover all of the  continental US with one 20-megaton bomb
emitted at  200 miles above Kansas. 

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On
Behalf Of Brennan, Mike (DOH)
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 2:22 PM
To: radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] HAARPy Rosalie and EMPs

So, the United States has a surface area of call it 10,000,000 km^2.
Lets say that only 1% needs to be EMPed achieve Dr. Graham's
back-to-basics vision (I actually doubt you could get such a techno-kill
even with 100% coverage, but I am being generous).  That means you need
to cover 100,000 km^2 with warheads.  Let's say you have weapons that
would get the pulse you want over a circle 10 km in radius (I suspect
that is generous, but I don't actually know).  That means you need about
320 weapons and delivery systems.  Given the spread of the targets and
the range of the weapons, you would need a number of ships to launch
them, including at least a couple in the Great Lakes.  While our
intelligence community has on occasions missed things they should have
spotted, I find it difficult that an operation of this size would slip
by.

I find his scenario less than credible. 

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On
Behalf Of Richard D. Urban Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 9:58 AM
To: rhelbig at california.com; radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] HAARPy Rosalie and EMPs

I'm so glad Rosalie is concentrating on the important stuff... like
HAARP, and contrails and house pets...
Who cares about those rapscallion Iranians and their EMP plans...  

-----Original U.S. Intel: Iran Plans Nuclear Strike on U.S. 
Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:00 AM
By: Kenneth R. Timmerman  

...In testimony before the House Armed Services Committee and in remarks
to a private conference on missile defense over the weekend... Dr.
William Graham warned that the U.S. intelligence community "doesn't have
a story" to explain the recent Iranian tests. 

One group of tests that troubled Graham, the former White House science
adviser under President Ronald Reagan, were successful efforts to launch
a Scud missile from a platform in the Caspian Sea. 

"They've got [test] ranges in Iran which are more than long enough to
handle Scud launches and even Shahab-3 launches," Dr. Graham said. "Why
would they be launching from the surface of the Caspian Sea? They
obviously have not explained that to us." 

Another troubling group of tests involved Shahab-3 launches where the
Iranians "detonated the warhead near apogee, not over the target area
where the thing would eventually land, but at altitude," Graham said.
"Why would they do that?" 

Graham chairs the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States
from Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack, a blue-ribbon panel established
by Congress...commission examined the Iranian tests "and without too
much effort connected the dots," ...

"The only plausible explanation we can find is that the Iranians are
figuring out how to launch a missile from a ship and get it up to
altitude and then detonate it," he said. "And that's exactly what you
would do if you had a nuclear weapon on a Scud or a Shahab-3 or other
missile, and you wanted to explode it over the United States." 

The commission warned in a report issued in April that the United States
was at risk of a sneak nuclear attack by a rogue nation or a terrorist
group designed to take out our nation's critical infrastructure. 

"If even a crude nuclear weapon were detonated... above the earth, in a
split-second it would generate an electro-magnetic pulse [EMP] that
would cripple military and civilian communications, power,
transportation, water, food, and other infrastructure," the report
warned. 

While not causing immediate civilian casualties, the near-term impact on
U.S. society would dwarf the damage of a direct nuclear strike on a U.S.
city. 

"The first indication [of such an attack] would be that the power would
go out, and some, but not all, the telecommunications would go out. ...
As electric power, water and gas delivery systems failed, there would be
"truly massive traffic jams," Graham added, since modern automobiles and
signaling systems all depend on sophisticated electronics that would be
disabled by the EMP wave.

"So you would be walking. You wouldn't be driving at that point. And it
wouldn't do any good to call the maintenance or repair people because
they wouldn't be able to get there, even if you could get through to
them." 

The food distribution system also would grind to a halt as cold-storage
warehouses stockpiling perishables went offline. Even warehouses
equipped with backup diesel generators would fail, because "we wouldn't
be able to pump the fuel into the trucks and get the trucks to the
warehouses,"...

The United States "would quickly revert to an early 19th century type of
country." except that we would have 10 times as many people with ten
times fewer resources, he said.....

Asked just how many Americans would die if Iran were to launch the EMP
attack it appears to be preparing, Graham gave a chilling reply. 

"You have to go back into the 1800s to look at the size of population"
that could survive in a nation deprived of mechanized agriculture,
transportation, power, water, and communication. 

"I'd have to say that 70 to 90 percent of the population would not be
sustainable after this kind of attack," he said. 

America would be reduced to a core of around 30 million people - about
the number that existed in the decades after America's independence from
Great Britain. 

The modern electronic economy would shut down, and America would most
likely revert to "an earlier economy based on barter," the EMP
commission's report on Critical National Infrastructure concluded
earlier this year...
http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/iran_nuclear_plan/2008/07/29/117217.htm
l

Oh wait, that's what the Global Warming folks want, no wonder Obamassiah
is their candidate, since he doesn't want to spend money on a missile
defense system.

Radmax the denier
Yuma, AZ

Message-----
>From: Roger Helbig <rhelbig at california.com>
>Sent: Jul 30, 2008 5:39 AM
>To: Radsafe <radsafe at radlab.nl>
>Subject: [ RadSafe ] Rosalie Bertell - Knew Little about Radiation,
Now into HAARP
>
>If any of the list members who are French would care to reply, here is 
>the link that I got from Google Alerts.  She certainly deserves to be 
>exposed as a has been and phony with no real knowledge of the subject 
>at all.  I don't know why she has decided to take on the HAARP research

>program at the University of Alaska.
>
> 
>
>Roger Helbig
>
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