[ RadSafe ] Explanationfor Gulf War illness?

Wed May 28 14:00:04 CDT 2008

Korean war autopsies routinely showed atherosclerotic coronaries in early age 20s.
Adrenalin blockers have recently been shown to lessen atherosclerosis of coronary arteries with imaging.
I prescribe adrenalin blockers for "stressed" people without waiting for a heart attack, since it is well accepted that they halve the liklihood of another heart attack after a first one.

Howard Long MD MPH

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From: "Borisky, Michael (Civ, ARL/ADLO)" <mborisky at arl.army.mil> 

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> Does anyone want to speculate on what role stress and fear and anxiety 
> plays, for both combatants as well as civilians? I would thing it would 
> be enormous, and yet I have not seen it mentioned much. 
> 
> Mike Borisky 
> 
> 
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> From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On 
> Behalf Of James Salsman 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:19 AM 
> To: Rainer.Facius at dlr.de; radsafelist 
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Fwd: Which do people think is the 2nd 
> placeexplanationfor Gulf War illness? 
> 
> Dear Rainer, 
> 
> Thank you very much for your reply. 
> 
> I was hoping that someone would mention acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, 
> which include such chemicals as the pesticides behing used in the 
> February, 1991 combat deployment. I am very familiar with Dr. 
> Golumb's work as the Chief Scientist of the Research Advisory Committee 
> on Gulf War Veterans' Illnesses, for which the U.S. taxpayer has paid 
> hundreds of millions of dollars so far. 
> 
> Acetylcholinesterase inhibitors are not teratogens, and therefore do not 
> explain any of the well-documented increase in birth defects. 
> They do, however, explain the vast majority of symptoms attributed to 
> GWI, including headaches, motor control problems, and similar issues 
> issues. The reverse is just as true: only by considering 
> acetylcholinesterase inhibitors and depleted uranium can the full 
> spectrum of symptoms and complaints actually observed be explained. 
> 
> Dr. Golumb's work is also available for free from the RACGWVI web 
> site: http://www1.va.gov/RAC-GWVI/page.cfm?pg=13 and 
> http://www1.va.gov/RAC-GWVI/page.cfm?pg=45 . 
> I applaud Rainer for being the first person on Radsafe to remember Dr. 
> Golumb's work, which hit the news this past year. It is the best reply 
> so far. But again, it's a complementary and orthogonal cause, and while 
> it explains many observed symptoms that uranyl exposure cant, it can not 
> explain the observed effects which are likely caused by DU exposure. 
> 
> James Salsman 
> 
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:56 AM, wrote: 
> > "What is the most viable explanation of the increase of health 
> abnormalities seen among troops and in Basra and Kuwait after the 
> February, 1991 Gulf War?" 
> > 
> > James, 
> > 
> > your above formulation of what you perceive as the problem 
> demonstrates conclusively that you have major difficulties to grasp the 
> essence of the scientific process. My job as a (research) scientist is 
> not to conjecture an explanation for some empirical observation and then 
> strive to keep it alive but to do my very BEST to kill it. Only after I 
> and the rest of the scientific community have failed to achieve this, I 
> may consider - for the time being - my conjecture as a (i.e. ONE of - 
> usually - many other) possibility. 
> > 
> > In short: The business of science is to REFUTE speculations (alias 
> hypotheses). This, in a nutshell, is what according to Popper' 
> falsification principle science can achieve - at most. 
> > 
> > Regarding your preferred speculation (DU) 'explaining' Gulf War 
> "health abnormalities", a recent high ranking publication has firmly 
> laid your "explanation" to rest. See below and: 
> > 
> > (i) radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl im Auftrag von Rainer.Facius at dlr.de; Do 
> > 13.03.2008 10:56; 
> > RE: [ RadSafe ] Etiology of the Gulf War syndrome 
> > 
> > and 
> > 
> > (ii) radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl im Auftrag von neildm at id.doe.gov; Do 
> > 13.03.2008 16:49 
> > RE: [ RadSafe ] Do these symptoms sound familiar? 
> > 
> > Since due to elementary laws of (Aristotelian) logic, refutation is 
> conclusive and definite, your favourite speculation can only be 
> resurrected if NEW(!) empirical data should arise. Until then - please 
> let it rest in peace. 
> > 
> > Those interested in a copy of the paper are invited to ask for it. 
> > 
> > Best regards, Rainer 
> > 
> > Dr. Rainer Facius 
> > German Aerospace Center 
> > Institute of Aerospace Medicine 
> > Linder Hoehe 
> > 51147 Koeln 
> > GERMANY 
> > Voice: +49 2203 601 3147 or 3150 
> > FAX: +49 2203 61970 
> > 
> > 
> > Beatrice Alexandra Golomb 
> > 
> > Department of Medicine, University of California, San Diego, CA, 
> > 2093-0995 Communicated by Stephen F. Heinemann, Salk Institute for 
> > Biological Studies, San Diego, CA, January 15, 2008 (received for 
> > review December 5, 2006) 
> > 
> > Acetylcholinesterase inhibitors and Gulf War illnesses 
> > 
> > Published online on March 10, 2008 
> > Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA, 10.1073/pnas.0711986105 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________ 
> > 
> > Von: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl im Auftrag von James Salsman 
> > Gesendet: Di 27.05.2008 16:41 
> > An: radsafelist 
> > Betreff: [ RadSafe ] Fwd: Which do people think is the 2nd place 
> explanationfor Gulf War illness? 
> > 
> > What is the most viable explanation of the increase of health 
> > abnormalities seen among troops and in Basra and Kuwait after the 
> > February, 1991 Gulf War? 
> > 
> > <...> 
> > 
> > James Salsman 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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