AW: [ RadSafe ] Benefit/Harm from U.S. Army in Afghanistan

Tue Nov 4 01:46:17 CST 2008

Why is US borrowing some 100 million$ per day from abroad for operation of
the US? Tax-payers should pay.
Best wishes
Lars Persson
Slånbärsv 11A
19334 Sigtuna
08-568 219 26

0708-297100

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl]On
Behalf Of Steven Dapra
Sent: den 4 november 2008 02:22
To: Riely, Brian P.; radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: RE: AW: [ RadSafe ] Benefit/Harm from U.S. Army in Afghanistan

Nov. 3

         I'm not sure what this is about, and I am choosing to not comment.

Steven Dapra

At 08:26 PM 11/2/08 -0600, Riely, Brian P. wrote:
>Franz, Steven is the one who came up with the phase about
>attacking  China, Iran, Cuba and North Korea.  Shame on you for not
>understanding the context of that statement.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On
>Behalf Of Franz Schönhofer
>Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 5:51 PM
>To: 'Steven Dapra'; radsafe at radlab.nl
>Subject: AW: AW: [ RadSafe ] Benefit/Harm from U.S. Army in Afghanistan
>
>Dear Steven,
>
>Thank you so much for your information. I apologize for the
>misunderstanding of the title of the Graham Green - book: The correct
>title is "The quiet American". It describes anyway a very naive American
>who accepts in nowadays Vietnam anything leading to the death of natives,
>if it only is in the interest of his country. He has not the slightest
>scrupels to take the girlfriend of the narrator, who had saved his life.
>
>I have returned this afternoon from three weeks in Marokko. Fortunately I
>did not meet any ugly Americans, ugly Germans or - worst of all - ugly
>Austrians, only very nice people, mostly from France and Spain. Ugliness
>seems to be restricted to certain parts of a country or rather of a city.
>The further the places are away from tourist centers, the better the
>communication is.
>
>Fortunately the average population has no force to start a nuclear war.
>What frightens me on this thread is, that some persons think they are
>entitled to claim nuclear attacks on some countries.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Franz
>
>Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
>MinRat i.R.
>Habicherg. 31/7
>A-1160 Wien/Vienna
>AUSTRIA
>
>
>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] Im
>Auftrag von Steven Dapra
>Gesendet: Sonntag, 02. November 2008 23:10
>An: radsafe at radlab.nl
>Betreff: Re: AW: [ RadSafe ] Benefit/Harm from U.S. Army in Afghanistan
>
>Nov. 2
>
>          According to Wikipedia, "ugly American" is an epithet used to
> refer to perceptions of loud, arrogant, demeaning, thoughtless and
> ethnocentric behavior of American citizens mainly abroad, but also at
> home.  Although the term is usually associated with or applied to
> travellers and tourists, it also applies to US corporate businesses in
> the international arena."  (citations omitted)  Wikipedia invokes the
> Encarta dictionary and Dictionary.com as giving similar definitions.
>
>          My sister (who was born and raised in the United States)
> traveled in Europe frequently between approximately 1980 and 2000.  She
> and her husband lived in West Germany for some five years in the
> 1990s.  She told me once that during her travels she had personally
> observed many loud-mouthed, demanding, and arrogant Americans.
>
>The book "The Ugly American" (1958) was written by William Lederer and
>Eugene Burdick.
>
>          The link to the Wikipedia article is
> <ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugly_American>.  The site has a summary of
> the book.  I read it over 40 years ago, however I can remember virtually
> none of it and hence will not comment on it.
>
>          Franz makes a few legitimate points, however at present I'm not
> going to address any of what he wrote.
>
>Steven Dapra
>
>
>At 07:30 PM 11/2/08 +0100, Franz Schönhofer wrote:
> >RADSAFERs,
> >
> >I try to comment on Howard Longs political excursion from a context
> >including radioactivity and nuclear topics - they are involved indeed
> >and I hope that Marcel accepts this opinion.
> >
> >Reading Howard Longs bla-bla about "liberation, freedom, democracy, net
>gain
> >for the US, "prosperity" (for whom?)" is annoying and only shows that
> >he
>has
> >not the slightest clue about the situation of states, their
> >infrastructure, the living conditions of their inhabitants, diseases,
> >poverty, risk for
>life
> >etc. Etc. Howard Long is a typical species called "The Ugly American",
> >a term created to my knowledge by Graham Greene in one of his books,
> >where he gives an excellent characterisation of this type of American
> >set against
>the
> >background of the French war in Indochina. Needless to say that I have
> >during my many visits in the USA not encountered any of these "ugly
> >americans" personally, but judging from the press and its description
> >of US politicians and of course Howard Long I know, that they exist.
> >Needless to say that people I meet are usually not of the lowest
> >classes. But it was amazing during my visit to my beloved South West
> >last October, that most people I met at the cultural and outstanding
> >landscape sites started to complain about the then and still present
> >administration, without any provocation from my side. Here on RADSAFE I
> >read about proposals to attack China, Iran, Cuba and North Korea.
> Unbelievable - shame on you!
> >
> >I am not going to react on the "benefits" for the USA, but I have
> >noticed that a so called "radiological threat" has been used
> >extensively by the US administration to spread fear among US citizens
> >and to gain support for the most suppressive actions. All those
> >nonsensical actions and the waste of money for "surveillance" (which
> >actually has another purpose!!!!), which
>are
> >obviously there only to scare people and to put them into a state of
> >insecurity. Only today morning in Rabat, the capital of Marocco they
> >took away at the airport from me a very expensive tiny scissor for
> >nails, about three centimeters long without handle.
> >
> >The possible consequences of a "dirty bomb" have been discussed
> >extensively on RADSAFE and except some hardliners agreed that the
> >damage of this would be mostly the conventional explosive - but still
> >we read on RADSAFE about the terrible threat of dispersion of some
> >radionuclides like Co-60 or iridium.
> >
> >Using this irrational fear mongering with radionuclides or nuclear
>material,
> >combined with ultra-nationalistic ideas is deeply despicable. I hope I
> >made myself clear Mr. Howard Long.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >
> >Franz
> >
> >Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
> >MinRat i.R.
> >Habicherg. 31/7
> >A-1160 Wien/Vienna
> >AUSTRIA
> >
> >
> >-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >Von: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] Im
>Auftrag
> >von HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net
> >Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Oktober 2008 17:19
> >An: Peter Bossew; Radsafe Message
> >Betreff: Re: [ RadSafe ] Benefit/Harm from U.S. Army in Afghanistan
> >
> >Radsafe pertinence of this topic is risk of radioactive attack on USA,
> >- need for HP preparation..
> >
> >  I respond to Peter and Steven (and the U Tube sarcastic fiction) with
> >gratitude that threatened attacks on USA have not occurred following so
> >far successful (incomplete) Afghan Liberation and Iraqi Freedom - wars
> >designed primarily to destroy alQaeda operations, but also hoping that
> >democracy there will give freedom, trade, prosperity - disincentive to
> attack us.
> >
> >Not yet as feasible are the liberation (and destruction of USA or
> >Europe attack sources) in China, Iran, Cuba and N Korea. Hopefully,
> >commerce self-interest in China (now dependent on USA prosperity) will
> >effectively dampen imposition of failed Marxism-Maoism.
> >
> >USA carbon fuels are as plentiful as in the Middle east, but
> >politically restricted by fears that should go away (glaciers now
enlarge).
> >Big Oil (most monopolistic where government-owned) will have less
> >influence with the 45 nuclear plants encouraged by the more free-market
> >Presidential campaign.
> >
> >Howard Long
>
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