AW: [ RadSafe ] Re: Global Warming

Wed Dec 9 11:19:57 CST 2009

Dear Brian,

Thanks for you answer and clarification. Your statement was not at all
clear. Having had English lessions since the age of 10 in school (I am now
65!), having dealt with English scientific literature, conferences held in
English (are there any other internationals anymore?) for many decades,
published dozens of papers in English and presented even more and
participated in research projects also of international organisations,
having spent long time in Great Britain and even more in the USA, I thought
I had an acceptable command of English. 

I know about "soda", which has shifted from carbonated water to carbonated
drinks. I could not relate this expression to the plans to inject CO2 not
only into water but into deep geological deposits. I had no idea what "BENO"
would be and I think that most of other RADSAFErs would not know. I wonder
whether this would work for cattle and moreover in humans where it should
prevent release of mercaptanes and not CO2 or methan - those cannot be
detected by their smell.  

You can be sure that I know that humans and all creatures breathing emit
CO2. I assure that I will not stop breathing.

Best regards,

Franz

Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
AUSTRIA

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Riely, Brian P. [mailto:brian.riely at ngc.com] 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 09. Dezember 2009 17:51
An: Franz Schönhofer; Dixon, John E. (CDC/CCEHIP/NCEH); Jim Hardeman;
radsafe at radlab.nl
Betreff: RE: [ RadSafe ] Re: Global Warming

Franz

I thought the statement below was very clear.

Soda referred to the process of injecting CO2 into water
BENO is used to prevent flatulence, which releases gases such as CO2 and
methane.
When we breath we release CO2

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On Behalf
Of Franz Schönhofer
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:18 AM
To: 'Dixon, John E. (CDC/CCEHIP/NCEH)'; 'Jim Hardeman'; radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: AW: [ RadSafe ] Re: Global Warming

This is an international list. I have refrained from commenting, because I
simply do not regard myself competent in this field (though I have an
opinion)- unfortunately dozens of other clearly incompetents had the
impression that they were competent - I except those who made reasonable and
common sense arguments. But at an international list one cannot expect that
something like your "message" can be understood - it sounds like brabbling
of a drunk person. I hope it is not and that you will forward a
"translation" into English or if you prefer to American English. 

Best regards,

Franz

Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
AUSTRIA

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] Im Auftrag
von Dixon, John E. (CDC/CCEHIP/NCEH)
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 09. Dezember 2009 16:55
An: Jim Hardeman; radsafe at radlab.nl
Betreff: RE: [ RadSafe ] Re: Global Warming

Give up the soda and please take your BEANO...I guess the powers that be
will have the fine us all for breathing... 

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On Behalf
Of Jim Hardeman
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 7:09 PM
To: 'radsafe at radlab.nl'
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Re: Global Warming

Sandy et al. --

It has yet to be demonstrated to my satisfaction that carbon dioxide meets
the definition of "pollutant".

Jim Hardeman
jim.hardeman at dnr.state.ga.us 

>>> "Perle, Sandy" <SPerle at mirion.com> 12/6/2009 18:33 >>>
Ed,

All true. My point is simply that regardless of what these individuals say,
we've known for years that pollutants spewed out into the environment is
harmful. There have been efforts to reduce auto emissions for decades in
areas of CA and other states, well before it became popular to discuss
global warming. The reason that was the case, and is still the case, is
because pollutants harm individuals. The only difference now is the these
same pollutants may be accelerating the effect on the environment, thus,
global warming. While these individuals may promote and in some cases
benefit from the global warming debate, and may not be in favor of nuclear
power, that doesn't diminish the fact that pollutants damage the environment
and people, and animals for that matter, and we should be doing something
about that, and not attack any effort because of what some politician or
other persons may say about global warming, whichever side of the argument
that are on.

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President
Mirion Technologies
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Irvine, CA 92614
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-----Original Message-----
From: Edmond Baratta [mailto:edmond0033 at comcast.net]
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 3:23 PM
To: Perle, Sandy; radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Re: Global Warming

Sander

What you say may be true.  However, it seems that when the 'esteem' PM Brown
of the UK calls those who oppose his 'religion' and are called like the
'flat-earthers' and other nasty names.  Also, the Senator from CA
(Boxer)
calls those revealing the E-Mails (also bad name) of the pseudo scientist
caught 'fixing' the data, one wonders what is really going on.  Gore has
made hundreds of millions of dollars on this 'religion', He also received
the Nobel Prize (lost some luster on the Peace Prizes latest awarder) and an
Oscar for a made up movie.   None of them are for Nuclear Power, which
would
not contribute to pollution, Carbon Dioxide or other.

Ed Baratta

edmond0033 at comcast.net
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From: "Perle, Sandy" <SPerle at mirion.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 11:21 AM
To: <radsafe at radlab.nl>
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Re: Global Warming

> It is a fact that we are seeing the effects of global warming. They
are
> real and I can't believe that anyone would not recognize there are 
> problems in the environment and living things. The question as I see
it is
> how much of this is due to man-made or natural causes. All of it could
be
> blamed on natural evolution through time. We've had the ice age and
we've
> seen other naturally occurring events through history. I also believe
that
> we humans are putting a lot of pollutants into the environment.
Whether or
> not this causes global warming, to whatever degree, isn't the issue in
my
> mind. What is the issue is whether or not these pollutants are good
for
> mankind or not. I don't believe they are. I also agree that
significant
> extreme measures should not be initiated without more evidence that we 
> need to take that measure. However, I do believe that we should take 
> moderate measures as appropriate. This is not an all or nothing
situation.
> This is simply the logical process that should be followed. An analogy 
> would be taking medical supplements to prevent or minimize the effect
of
> some illness or potential disease. In many case we don't have all the 
> evidence whether or not there is a beneficial effect, yet we don't
simply
> throw away the supplement since there is 100% proof of benefit. It's 
> simply a matter of using common sense and logic in the decision making 
> process. Therefore, we should take appropriate steps to minimize the 
> effects of the causative factors and where there is more evidence that
is
> sound and can be supported, more extensive measures could be
initiated.
>
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> Sander C. Perle
> President
> Mirion Technologies
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