[ RadSafe ] AW: Radiation Abuse? Not Deterrent

Franz Schönhofer franz.schoenhofer at chello.at
Fri Jan 30 17:06:43 CST 2009

Dear Howard,


Thank you for answering my comment. I know you for your patience and your
ability to absorb attacks! My message was no attack – I actually avoided any
mentioning of the cold war, because this would drift away from RADSAFE to
politics and would be really offtopic. 


Your LNL people seem to have a very narrow view on the (potential) use of
atomic bombs. The run for the more and more effective nuclear weapons –
first on basis of Pu-bombs, later on the hydrogen bombs was an extremely
complicated political process. Your term, correctly spelled “retaliate”
indicates very strongly that you only consider the conflict between the USA
and the Sowjetunion. Sorry to say that this is a typical point of view of
USA citizens – the world is by far much bigger. What about Korea? What about
the “German conflict”?  


I stop here. We should  be happy to have stopped the cold war, to have
reduced the nuclear threat – though not to zero yet.


Best wishes,




Franz Schoenhofer, PhD

MinRat i.R.

Habicherg. 31/7

A-1160 Wien/Vienna



-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net [mailto:HOWARD.LONG at comcast.net] 
Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Jänner 2009 19:56
An: Franz Schönhofer
Cc: neildm at id.doe.gov; Mike Brennan; radsafe at radlab.nl
Betreff: Radiation Abuse? Not Deterrent


The Livermore LNL people I've known for nearly 50 years

 take great pride in the fact the not an A-bomb has been used 

since they improved on H bombs to retaliatate.


Yes, Franz, like  concealed handguns, 

when equalizer weapons make aggression costly, it is less likely --

and HPs are less likely to have their skills tested


Sleep well.


Howard Long


----- Original Message -----
From: "Franz Schönhofer" <franz.schoenhofer at chello.at>
To: neildm at id.doe.gov, "Mike Brennan" <Mike.Brennan at DOH.WA.GOV>,
radsafe at radlab.nl
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 5:27:42 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [ RadSafe ] From offtopict to an ontopic comment

Neil et al.,

Continuing the thoughts put forward by Mike and Neil we easily hit back to

One of the next steps in this chain of "horrible weapons" is said to refer
to Alfred Nobel. When he had developed nitroglycerin and later dynamite he
is said to have considered the effect of the explosives to be so powerful
and terrible, that no wars would be fought in the future any more because of
the destructions caused. Later he had to recognize that he had been
fundamentally wrong and his discoveries made war even worse. It is said that
this was the motive to donate his wealth for the nobel prizes, one of them
for peace achievements. His secretary (Bertha von Suttner) was extremely
active in the movement for peace ("Down with weapons") and banning of wars
and might have influenced him toward this decision.

Now we have ended up with nuclear weapons, more destructive by orders of
magnitude. Should mankind have become a little more rational in the face of
potential destruction? At least this weapon has been used only twice in a
war and never since. Also in the case of nuclear weapons there are
decade-long attempts to ban these weapons. Much progress has been made, but
a worldwide ban has not been achieved yet. To the contrary new "nuclear
states" have emerged. 

Is this logic of increased destruction power from fire to crossbow to
dynamite to nuclear weapons to be continued with even more destructive
weapons? I cannot imagine anything worse in destruction power, but who could
have thought in the thirties of the last century of the power of nuclear

Food for thought.

Best regards,


Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] Im Auftrag
von neildm at id.doe.gov
Gesendet: Freitag, 30. Jänner 2009 00:20
An: Mike.Brennan at DOH.WA.GOV; radsafe at radlab.nl
Betreff: RE: [ RadSafe ] Fwd: Don't X-ray My Veggies - Offtopic comment

 Actual occurrence:

The leaders of Europe met and voted to suppress the use of the latest
super weapon as it made war too horrible to countenance.

The weapon was the crossbow, and the meeting was on August 30, 1146 

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On
Behalf Of Brennan, Mike (DOH)

 It reminds me of
a short story I once wrote in which a council of Homo Erectus voted to
suppress research into controlling fire because it was against the laws
of nature.  


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