[ RadSafe ] Comparison of a Measured Resultto theCritical/Decision Level; new question
Brennan, Mike (DOH)
Mike.Brennan at DOH.WA.GOV
Thu Oct 8 10:56:24 CDT 2009
How to report less than LLD (or MDA, or whatever) is something worthy of discussing within your organization every now and then, to make sure that new people coming in from other places understand what you are doing.
We report results in different ways, depending on who the intended audience is. Sometimes we report in different ways within the same document. For example, we have one report that sample for Co60, Cs137, and I131, as well as any other isotopes that produce positive results on a gamma scan (we exclude isotopes in the U238 chain). In the main report, aimed at the general public, we have tables with "Not Detected" for any result where the counted activity was not above the LLD. In the appendixes we have the actual result, so anyone who is using the data for more involved statistical operations will have something to work with.
This may not come up too often if you are dealing with "real" radioactivity, but it is pretty common in environmental monitoring.
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Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Comparison of a Measured Resultto theCritical/Decision Level; new question
Semantics is really messy especially when dealing with statistics. Ditto on Bob Shannon's references and also you may want to look at papers published by Mark A. Tries of University of MA Lowell (sometimes et. al.) who has authored a number of good papers on counting statistics.
If you use zero you most likely are adding a bias to your conclusions. This bias may be high or low. ISO 11929 2008 and the below references Bob submitted are in agreement that zero is not an appropriate approximation of the value if less than the detection limit. A bias may create problems is conclusions are incorrect as a result of the bias. Unbiased data should be used for all calculations performed to provide a best estimate for reporting based on an acceptable percentage of false + and false - results. Even if reporting a best estimate it is often useful to report or at least maintain a record of the actual measurements and errors on the measurements.
I have never seen value/2, perhaps the person who started that was confusing the 95% MDA with the Lc (detection limit) and taking half of the MDA or 1/2 x 4.66sigma.
Hope this helps.
Barbara Reider, CHP
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From: Arvic Harms <Arvic.Harms at npl.co.uk>
To: Bob Shannon <BobShannon at earthlink.net>; radsafe at radlab.nl
Cc: Peter Bossew <Peter.Bossew at reflex.at>
Sent: Mon, Oct 5, 2009 7:23 am
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Comparison of a Measured Resultto the Critical/Decision Level; ne w question
Dear all,
ISO 11929 2008 draft has the following recommendations in Chapter 6:
If result < y* (decision threshold), report as 'not detected' or alternatively s 'less than y# (detection limit)', if required by a regulator.
f result >= y*, report the best estimate of the result together with its ncertainty (even if the result is less than y#, the detection limit).
I have a question about combining results which contain one or more 'less than #' types of "results" when you want, for instance, to calculate a mean of everal results.
It is common to assign a value of [y# divided by factor of 2] to the 'less than #' results. Is there any scientific justification for doing this?
The 'less than y#' types of "results" are 'not detected' and are therefore 0 and ot y# / 2 in my opinion.
Kind regards,
Arvic Harms
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From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl]On
Behalf Of Bob Shannon
Sent: 04 March 2009 20:38
To: radsafe at radlab.nl
Cc: 'Peter Bossew'
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Comparison of a Measured Resultto the Critical/Decision Level
Peter -
I very much agree with the main thrust of your comment about critical levels. Thanks!
I have some concerns about censoring measurement results as you have proposed, though.
Most standards that apply to radiochemical measurements (at least in the US) specify that every measured result, whether positive, negative or zero, should be reported in association with its measurement uncertainty. While there are a few programs that make exceptions, and some entities fail to follow the guidance, but the guidance is presented in rather unambiguous terms. Here are several examples:
· Multi-Agency Radiological Laboratory Analytical
Protocols Manual
(MARLAP) - EPA, NRC, DOE, DOD, DHS, FDA, USGS, NIST (NUREG-1576, EPA 402-B-04-001A, NTIS PB2004-105421).
o Section 19.3.8 Reporting the Measurement Uncertainty
§ It is possible to calculate radioanalytical results that are less than zero, although negative radioactivity is physically impossible. Laboratories sometimes choose not to report negative results or results that are near zero. Such censoring of results is not recommended. All results, whether positive, negative, or zero, should be reported as obtained, together with their uncertainties.
· ANSI N13.30 - Performance Criteria for Radiobioassay, Health
Physics Society N13.30-1996
o 3.5 Reporting Results [results reported shall include]
(5) quantification of the amount of radionuclide(s) (whether positive, negative, or zero) of each radionuclide measured in each part of the body counted;
(6) estimates of counting uncertainty
and the total
propagated uncertainty
[which includes counting and other random and systematic uncertainties at one sigma (see Appendix D, Section D.6)];
(7) value of the decision level and a priori MDA, in units consistent with the results;
· ANSI N42.23 American National Standard Measurement
and Associated
Instrument Quality Assurance for Radioassay Laboratories, (IEEE, 1996/2004)
o A.8 Reporting results by the service laboratory
§ "Calculated concentration or activity value (whether negative, positive, or zero) using the appropriate blank for each nuclide" [and] "Estimates of the counting uncertainty and total propagated uncertainty (which contains counting and other random and systematic uncertainties" [must be included in the analytical results reported by the service laboratory]
Bob Shannon
Quality Radioanalytical Support, LLC
BobShannon at earthlink.net
Tel: 303-432-1137
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Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 7:44 AM
To: Redmond, Randy (RXQ); <radsafe at radlab.nl>
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Comparison of a Measured Result to the Critical/Decision Level
Randy,
the "error" (more accurately: uncertainty) is irrelevant for this. The
"result" (estimate of expectation of a rnd. variable) has to be compared
to the decision level or threshold. If, like in your case, result < Lc, it
has to be reported as (quantity) < MDA (also called LLD).
Also the alpha
and beta values connected to Lc and MDA should be reported.
Only if the "result" > Lc, it must be reported together with uncertainty
(incl. k=number of sigmas), or ideally, with a confidence interval (again
with k) (because the distribution is not symmetrical, which is relevant
for low level measurements. This can only be ignored for high enough count
numbers).
The relevant document is ISO 11929: Determination of the detection limit
and decision threshold for ionizing radiation measurements. Geneva
2000-2001 (8 parts).
For a good review of theory, De Geer L. (2005): A decent Currie at the
PTS. Report CTBT/PTS/TP/2005-1, Aug. 2005; available from the CTBTO. Also:
De Geer L. (2004): Currie detection limits in gamma-ray spectroscopy.
Appl. Rad Isot. 61 (2-3), 151-160.
In Bayesian reasoning:
- Weise K. and W. Wöger (1993): A Bayesian theory of measurement
uncertainty. Meas. Sci. Techn. 4(1), 1-11;
- Weise K. et al. (2006): Bayesian decision threshold, detection limit and
confidence limizs in ionising-radioation measurement. Rad. Prot. Dos.
121(1), 52-63;
- Michel R. (2000): Quality assurance of nuclear analytical techniques
based on Bayesian characteristic limits. J.
Radioanalytical
Nucl. Chem.
245(1), 137-144.
For non-Currie decision rules: Strom and MacLellan (2001):
Evaluation of
eight decision rules for low-level radioactivity counting.
Health Physics
81 (1), 27-34. The authors show that the standard rules (ISO
11929) may
not perform well in extreme cases.
Peter
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