[ RadSafe ] Salsman warning

Fri Apr 9 21:56:27 CDT 2010

Mr. Salsman is neither a reporter nor a credible party to these  
discussions. As long as he communicates via one or more alias monikers, he  is 
unworthy of attention even if his points were salient, which they are  not, and 
likely never will be. Note his earlier implied belief in man-made  global 
warning, despite the credibility fiasco its own principal proponents have  
brought upon themselves (University of East Anglia, IPCC, Penn State,  etc.).

Mr. Salsman's invasion of the sphere of the employment of  another 
RADSAFER, an act he does not deny, ought to result in dismissal from  membership to 
RADSAFE, immediately.

Moreover, the enigmatic and unaccountable Mr .Salsman may not be a 24-7  
gadfly, but he behaves like one in this forum.

As such, it is utterly useless to try to persuade or appease him. You would 
 be wasting your time, as the goal of a gadfly is precisely that; to  
distract you away from your work precisely by wasting your time. 

Mr. Salsman apparently believes he is nobly doing his  part, modest it may 
be, to save the world from our 'destructiveness'. Such  is the mindset of 
gadflies. They cannot persuade rational, objective people  in a public forum. 
So these malevolent manipulators invade professional  circles to disrupt, 
distract, and delay to the maximum extent that they can  achieve. The more one 
tries to correct them, the more empowered they  feel. 

RADSAFE is not the only board to be infiltrated. Others in other scientific 
 pursuits suffer as we do. Exploitation of the spirit of inclusiveness  is 
never a guilt trip for the likes of Mr. Salsman.

I have gone one-on-one against several well-known antinuclear  gadflies 
like him. They all share the same goals: they all want to be  the next Rachel 
Carson. And they will not ever accept any pathway, no  matter how 
scientifically valid and compelling, that leads away  from that dreamy destiny.

So it is no surprise that their  attitude can approach messianic 
proportions. I have seen these  fanatics put it on display In the legislative halls of 
the State of  California and the National Academy of Sciences. Out on the 
street, they  revel in shocking the public with dramatic assertations and 
venomous  accusations. But behind closed doors with opponents and legislative  
staff, their claims are often and easily dismissed by nothing  more than 
dispassionate, objective information.

Are they ever embarrassed by their excesses? No. They are convinced they  
are on a mission from god, and that their ends justify any means  necessary 
to get there.

RADSAFERS believe in the scientific principle. But we do not have to serve  
as a halfway house for professional predators like Mr. Salsman. We need not 
 accept the presence of anyone who delusionally strives for  
self-aggrandizement and ideological glory to the detriment of others, let  alone tries to 
get any of us fired.

Terminate Mr. Salsman from this forum.

Steve Frey, MS, CHP

In a message dated 4/9/2010 2:30:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jsalsman at gmail.com writes:

Dan,

Thank you for the information below. I have been in  correspondence with
three ATSDR toxicologists in the past year and they  have indicated they are
reviewing the carcinogencity studies reported in  various uranium toxicology
reviews. The ATSDR had relying on sources which  have influenced by the HPS
party line that uranium is only a danger to  kidneys, as your excerpts show.
I doubt any study of people, mill workers  or otherwise, with elevated serum
uranyl levels will not show  carcinogenicity after 20 years.

I have never asked that anyone on  RadSafe be fired, reassigned, or even
repremanded. All I've ever asked for  are retractions. Why is that so
dispicable?

What would you think of  a reporter who didn't try to confirm statements
contrary to established,  reliable sources with the company management of
those making them?   How is what I've been doing any different?

Sincerely,
James  Salsman

On Apr 8, 2010 3:37 PM, "Dan W McCarn"  <hotgreenchile at gmail.com> wrote:

Agency for Toxic Substances and  Disease Registry
Case Studies in Environmental Medicine (CSEM)
Uranium  Toxicity
Course: WB 1524
Original Date: May 1, 2009
Expiration Date:  May 1,  2012
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/csem/uranium/docs/uranium.pdf

"Cancer  among uranium miners has not been associated with exposure to
uranium, but  instead with exposure to radon progeny, diesel exhaust
particles, arsenic,  and other elements in the mine air which they breathe
[ATSDR 1999 (updated  2008)]". Page 58

"The International Agency for Research on Cancer  (IARC) and the U.S.
National Toxicology Program (NTP) have no  carcinogenicity ratings for
uranium. The U.S. Environmental Protection  Agency has withdrawn its
carcinogenicity classification for uranium." Ibid,  Page 29

"Uranium exposure in the occupational setting has been  associated
with relatively few medical problems. Renal disease is related  to
over-exposure to uranium, but it s not specific to uranium.  Pulmonary
disease is related to dust exposure and is also not specific to  uranium.
These problems are also not related to exposure to radiation; such  problems
would not be expected unless the individual were handling highly  enriched
uranium." Ibid, Pages 5-6.

This is not the reference that I  reviewed in 2003 related to uranium mill
worker data, but serves for the  present time.  That was a US Gov't
publication dated around 1998 as I  recall on the toxicology of uranium.

Dan ii

--
Dan W  McCarn, Geologist
2867 A Fuego Sagrado
Santa Fe, NM  87505
+1-505-310-3922 (Mobile ...

From: James Salsman  [mailto:jsalsman at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:46

To:  Dan W McCarn; radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Salsman  warning

2010/4/8 Dan W McCarn <hotgreenchile at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> [Salsman] is proposing an actively  anti-n...
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