[ RadSafe ] political funding of science/ was:Radon:POWERFULLY associated with LESS lung cancer by B.Cohen

[Glenn R. Marshall]

Who but the federal government would spend money studying what sort of smells are most likely to get a female Antarctic doodlebug "in the mood"?  

Glenn Marshall


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And venture capitalists are welcome to the fruits of their investments.
But there are projects too big for them, such as the Space Program (yes, I know there are now private companies trying to, and even succeeding in getting packages into space.  But do you think the would be there if it weren't for the knowledge and infrastructure paid for by the US taxpayers (whose return on investment has been huge)).  Also, venture capitalists tend to want to keep the secrets their money helped uncover secret.  The chance for spin-offs is much less.  

More often than not, private money supports research into technology.
Often technology made possible by research into science paid for by public money.

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Real science creates a lot of wealth and a lot of the wealth that it creates is obvious.  The problem is that you do not know before hand which science will produce the wealth.  That is why Venture Capitalist create a portfolio with the assumption that the one success story will pay for the other 9 failures.

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Hi, Steve.

I don't actually agree with, " Real science doesn't create wealth it only consumes it,..."  I believe science creates vast amounts of wealth, but does so in indirect ways that often cannot be predicted before the science is done.

Basic research has found things that created entire new fields of wealth creation.  Often this has happened while looking into some mystery that had no obvious payoff for solving.  Because the payoff isn't obvious, getting financial backing can be hard.  Government funding for basic research has paid off in creating whole new industries, with wealth creation that is hard to wrap you mind around (imagine, for example, what GPS is worth.  Not just the units that you hold, but the value of being able to locate things and people almost instantly, almost anywhere.  If the US Government hadn't paid for the research on how to make it work, and then paid for the system to be deployed, it wouldn't have happened, because no company could predict what the pay off would be).

Also, most money spent on research actually goes to people, with a fair portion of that going to grants that let people get advanced degrees.
Those people then go out to industry, bringing new knowledge and understanding.  Very, very few businesses are willing to take the risk of investing in an individual's education, even if they know that at some time they will want someone with that expertise.

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Steve Dapra writes:


"The problem is that politics funds science, thus transmuting science into a political football.  Real science can raise its own funding.  It does not need to leech off the taxpayer."