[ RadSafe ] ....waste of bandwidth: Scary Rider

[Bjorn Cedervall]

There are indeed many opinions around. Here is one:
http://nuclearpoweryesplease.org/blog/2011/10/21/chris-busby-scary-rider/
 
Calling someone a crook is simple but science is complex. It is often easy to find references
pointing in different directions (some may have their basis in statistical fishing expeditions).
If one says that a particular scientist is a crook some related criteria may help to define
the statement.
 
I intend to come back regarding the Ca issue.
 
My personal action only,
 
Bjorn Cedervall
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> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 17:30:22 +0100
> From: C.Busby at ulster.ac.uk
> To: radsafe at agni.phys.iit.edu; radsafe at agni.phys.iit.edu; radsafe at agni.phys.iit.edu
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Busby is a waste of bandwidth; from busby
> 
> This is a study by the National Radiological Protection Board and I dont believe it any more than the others they cobble together like the Second Event one also by AA Edwards. They are a bunch of crooks. I have sent for the full paper.
> Chris
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at agni.phys.iit.edu on behalf of Bjorn Cedervall
> Sent: Sat 29/10/2011 11:46
> To: RadSafers Forum; radsafe at agni.phys.iit.edu
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Busby is a waste of bandwidth; from busby
> 
> 
> The Radiat. Res. paper referred to below was adressed in another study published in 2001 (Lloyd et al., Radiat. Res., Vol. 155, pp.809-817): A study to verify a reported excess of chromosomal aberrations in blood lymphocytes of Namibian uranium miners.
> 
> The last two sentences in the summary of this analysis are:
> 
> "The overall conclusion is that the frequency of chromosomal damage in the miners did not exceed that in the controls. Therefore, the result of the earlier study [Zaire et al.] was not confirmed."
> 
> My personal initiative only,
> 
> Bjorn Cedervall
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> 
> > Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 10:39:10 +0100
> > From: C.Busby at ulster.ac.uk
> > To: radsafe at agni.phys.iit.edu; radsafe at agni.phys.iit.edu
> > Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Busby is a waste of bandwidth; from busby
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Zaire R, Notter M, Riedel W, Thiel E, (1997) Unexpected rates of chromosome instabilities and alterations of hormone levels in Namibian Uranium miners Radiation Research 147 579-584.
> > 
> > How about that one?
> > 
> > Sincerely
> > Chris
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: radsafe-bounces at agni.phys.iit.edu on behalf of Mark Sonter
> > Sent: Fri 28/10/2011 23:59
> > To: radsafe at agni.phys.iit.edu
> > Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Busby is a waste of bandwidth
> > 
> > Dear Radsafers,
> > 
> > I am so fed up with this thread and Busby's weird new weapon coverup 
> > fantasies. It is a waste of time.
> > 
> > Uranium is present in all soils, at something like 3 ppm +/- a factor of 
> > 10 or more.
> > 
> > Uranium mill workers over the last half century don't show genetic 
> > problems and I bet they have ingested / inhaled similar or indeed much 
> > more than Chris's subjects.
> > 
> > DU *must* be toxicologically identical to nonD-U.
> > 
> > Let's have a bit of common sense here...
> > 
> > Can the moderator please call a halt to this pointless debate??
> > 
> > 
> > Mark Sonter
> > 
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> > 
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