[ RadSafe ] Fwd: Treating Coal-fired plant waste as TENORM

JPreisig at aol.com JPreisig at aol.com
Tue Dec 16 12:49:38 CST 2014

 From: JPreisig at aol.com
To: maurysis at peoplepc.com
Sent: 12/16/2014  11:47:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: Re: [ RadSafe ] Treating  Coal-fired plant waste as TENORM

Maury and Jake,
     Hope you are well.  This sounds like the  book I have somewhere.  My 
copy had a red cover.  The book is not  necessarily easy reading.  Happy 
    Joe Preisig
In a message dated 12/16/2014 3:37:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
maurysis at peoplepc.com writes:

Is  this from amazon.com the  one?

Controlled  Test Atmospheres: Principles and Techniques
olled++Test+Atmospheres&pebp=1418718785929) Dec 1971  
by _Gary  O. Nelson_ 

_$2.02used & new(22  offers)_ 


On  12/15/2014 7:32 PM, _JPreisig at aol.com_ (mailto:JPreisig at aol.com)  


     That is one book.  The book I sort of  remember was called Controlled 

Test Atmospheres and it was published by the  University of Michigan???


     Joe Preisig





In a message dated 12/15/2014 8:22:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  

_bsdnuke at gmail.com_ (mailto:bsdnuke at gmail.com)  writes:

The book  was Particle Size Analysis and Industrial Hygiene.  I believe it

was  edited by Mel First. (sorry if I misspelled names).

On Mon, Dec 15,  2014 at 4:48 PM, Franz Schönhofer <

_franz.schoenhofer at chello.at_ (mailto:franz.schoenhofer at chello.at) >  wrote:


I enjoyed this thread,  because it reminds me on the good old times of

RADSAFE with its lively  discussions, with all the pros and  cons on

scientific (!!!)  topics ...... I enjoyed it especially because it -

hopefully - ends  the forwarding of messages of clearly mentally ill

persons. I also see  from the contributions the knowledge on those topics

which had been  rather new several decades ago. Nice to see the progress!

Forgive me  if I forward old fashioned opinions in the future (some might

not be  all to old fashioned.)


 -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: _JPreisig at aol.com_ 
(mailto:JPreisig at aol.com) 

Sent:  Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:28 PM

To:  _radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu_ (mailto:radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu) 

Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] Treating  Coal-fired plant waste as TENORM

Mike  Brennan,

    I don't do stack  measurements  professionally.  I expect such

measurements  are done across the top of a  stack, at various distances

across  the

stack.  I believe there are also  places along the stack  where sampling


can be opened and more sampling can   be done.  Various computer codes

(Airdose, CAP-88 etc.) can be  gotten from  RSICC (Radiation Shielding 



at  Oak Ridge.  See their  website.  Coal, Oil, Natural Gas etc.  will

eventually diminish.  If  there are not enough Nuclear  Fission plants,

life will

not be good.

I enjoy your  posts, Mike.

    Regards,   Joe  Preisig

In a message dated 12/9/2014 1:16:15 P.M.  Eastern Standard Time,

_Mike.Brennan at DOH.WA.GOV_ (mailto:Mike.Brennan at DOH.WA.GOV)   writes:

I've had  some classes on air sampling, and have  been involved in

environmental air  sampling and radon for some  years.  I admit that I am

not highly

confident that  sampling from the edge of a stack meters is truly

representative,  especially concerning a noble gas.  I also admit to

having doubts  as

to how well most dispersion models handle such a gas.    In any event,

pulling the contribution from a particular stack to  outdoor  radon would

be a

challenge, given the flux of  radon coming out of the ground  (a flux that


 nonlinearly both over time and across locations).   Knowing that it  


is useful for pointing out the inconsistencies of the   anti-nuke side, 


should a coal-burning plant ever reach the point  where  radon is the


risk factor in its emissions,  they would truly be "clean  coal".

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 _JPreisig at aol.com_ (mailto:JPreisig at aol.com) 

Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 5:07 PM

 To:  _radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu_ (mailto:radsafe at health.phys.iit.edu) 

Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ]  Treating Coal-fired  plant waste as TENORM


Ever hear of  a Pitot tube???  Find books  on  Air Sampling and Analysis.

Man, this takes me back to my Air  Sampling and  Analysis course with Ray

Manganelli and Jill Lipoti  at Rutgers.  Can't even  remember what  the 


was  called, but it was good reading.  Frank Haughey  made  me take  Air

Sampling instead of Mathematical Physics.

EPA  documents must be loaded with information (see  their  websites  


on how to measure Radon and how to grab samples.    The  carbon absorber


kits were around New Jersey  Department of  Environmental  Protection.  


Reading  Prong (geologically  speaking) is right next to New  Jersey.


in Pennsylvania  still test for Radon in their homes  and  need to.  You 


measure  stack effluents with a  pitot tube, provided you  make the

measurements   correctly.  Search the internet, baby.  It is  all out


Regards,   Joe Preisig

 PS   Perhaps also check the New Jersey Department of  Environmental

Protection  (Radiation Protection Programs) website  and the archives 


NJDEP RPP still has a Radon group, I think,  and you could call or email


if needed.  NJDEP RPP  was a nice place to work.  Some NJDEP RPP  folks


on Radsafe, I think.  Hi  Herb!!!!


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