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RE: RE: Nuclear Planet in DISCOVER



Jim,
 
Congratulations, a very good description of the paper.  The only subtle point that I would add is that U-235 and Pu-239 fission very well with fast neutrons, so there is no need at all to moderate the neutrons in order for this to work.  Their only difference from U-238 in this regard is that the fission cross-section in U-238 has a threshold at ~1 MeV, but U-235 or Pu-239 do not.  That is also why the authors discuss Th-232, because if it were included then you would also have production of U-233, which fissions as well if not better than U-235.
 
In fact, given the lack of low-z or hydrogenous material, and the resonance capture effect in U-238 at intermediate neutron energies, this system probably had a fairly hard fission spectrum.  That would also tend to reduce the effectiveness of the fission-product poisins, since most of their cross-sections are inversely proportional to the neutron energy.  This would keep the system running longer before they shut it down.
 
Since neutron flux would be low, the reactivity changes due to poisins would be very slow.  The temperature would be the main reactivity feedback mechanism.  Since the system would be well insulated, it would achieve a very stable equilibrium operating regime and power level.  Should be fairly easy to calculate.
 
It's an interesting hypothesis.  I'm like you - I would never have thought of it, but once I see it on paper it makes a great deal of sense.  Maybe I'll put my nuclear engineer hat on for a while and run some calculations :-)
 
Doug Minnema, PhD, CHP
NNSA, US DOE
-----Original Message-----
From: Dukelow, James S Jr [mailto:jim.dukelow@PNL.GOV]
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 2:33 PM
To: 'High Plains Drifter'; Kim D. Merritt; radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
Subject: RE: RE: Nuclear Planet in DISCOVER

Those who followed the citation Jaro provided would discover the PNAS paper, Deep-Earth reactor: Nuclear fission, helium, and the geomagnetic field, by D.F. Hollenback and J.M. Herndon, PNAS, v. 98, no. 20, 25 Sept 2001.  The paper answers many of the questions being asked.  Herndon has been interested for a number of years in what might be providing the energy for the Earth's magnetic field, with the puzzle being the relatively frequent (in geological terms) flips in the polarity of the field.
 
Herndon hypothesizes that the flips result from a nuclear reactor that operates for a period of time, then shuts down because of accumulating fission product neutron "poisons".  Later, as the fission products diffuse out of the uranium/plutonium/other_actinides core, the reactor starts up again.
 
When I first saw media reports of this hypothesis a few weeks ago, I thought. "Of course, how obvious".  The key is the large size of the reactor.  In general, the neutron production will be proportional to volume = (4/3)*pi*r^3.  Neutron leakage out of the reactor will be proportional to surface area = 4*pi*r^2.  Thus the leakage fraction will be proportional to  4*pi*r^2/(4/3)*pi*r^3 = 3/(pi*r), which is inversely proportional to the radius of the reactor.  The hypothesized 5 mile diameter ball of uranium is HUGE.  Neutron leakage would be negligible.  Hollenbach and Herndon describe the reactor as a fast neutron reactor, but, in fact, with the reactor that big, the only thing that would prevent a neutron from slowing down to speeds that will cause fissions in U-235 or Pu-239 would be either causing a fast fission of one of the many actinides or being captured by U-238, with the eventual creation of an atom of Pu-239.
 
Hollenback and Herndon use one of the standard reactor code systems, SCALE, to investigate the evolution of a roughly five mile ball of U-235 and U-238 from 4.5 billion years ago to the present.  The code calculates the value of k-effective, the parameter that determines whether an assembly of fissile material and other materials will be critical..  They treat two cases: 1) at each time step, fission product poisons are simply removed from the system, and 2) fission product poisons accumulate in the system.  In the first case, k-eff begins around 1.8, drops steadily, and settles into a steady state around 1.02 about 2.5 billion years ago.  In the second case, k-eff drops below 1.0 at around 2.7 billion years ago.  The two cases probably bound the behavior of the real system.  The authors hypothesize, but do not yet support with calculation, that poisons will shut the reactor down, then would diffuse/float out of the system over a relatively short time, after which the reactor would start up again.  They posit the on/off oscillations as the source of the magnetic field flips.
 
Table 2 of the paper summarizes the quanties of actinides present at different times.  Beginning 4.5 billion years ago with approximately 40% U-235 and 60% U-238, by 3 billion years ago, there are a wide variety of actinides present, dominated by Th-230, Th-232, U-233 (fissile), U-235 (fissile), U-236, U-238, Np-237, and Pu-239 (fissile), with the quanties of Th-232, U-235, and U-238 being 2-4 orders of magnitude greater than the others.
 
They argue is some detail, that this hypothesis is consistent with the observed ratio of He-3 to He-4 in the deep mantle (as evidenced by the ratio in magma from some volcanoes).
 
The paper is extremely interesting and is available online from  www.nas.edu.
 
Best regards.
 
Jim Dukelow
Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
Richland, WA
 
These comments are mine and have not been reviewed and/or approved by may management or by the U.S. Department of Energy.