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RE: Potassium cell study
Jim,
You have not supplied me with the information I request, so I am resending
this.
-- John
. . .
Jim,
Finally, you have provided some additional information that I, and I am sure
others, have not heard before. Hopefully, this trail lends a credibility
answer to the my original question, i.e., was this study done, and the next
one, what were the results. I would question if the effect was due to the
lack of the radioactive isotope, or some confounding factor. One of the
inherent problems in biological research is that experiments are seldom
repeated because of the need to do "further research," particularly if they
fail to prove the hypothesis of the researcher. (When I was in graduate
school, a co-student was trying to separate living cells from fragments.
The company swore that the filtering material would not affect the cells.
Of course, he later tested and determined that the filter was killing the
cells he was trying to harvest.)
A point I would like you to consider about my questioning. I find it hard
to believe that research performed in the 1960's, as you allude to below,
would be suppressed because of the LNT. If anything, I would think that the
AEC would, as it did, promote the uses of radiation. I would suspect there
were concerns about the experimental protocol. I do not remember LNT being
a big issue until Three Mile Island. Do you?
I have provided comments to your comments of my comments. (Your turn)
-- John
John Jacobus, MS
Certified Health Physicist
3050 Traymore Lane
Bowie, MD 20715-2024
E-mail: jenday1@email.msn.com (H)
-----Original Message-----
From: Muckerheide [mailto:muckerheide@attbi.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 6:47 PM
To: Jacobus, John (OD/ORS); radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
Subject: Re: Potassium cell study
on 7/10/02 8:49 AM, Jacobus, John (OD/ORS) at jacobusj@ors.od.nih.gov wrote:
> Ah, yes. The grand conspiracy. I knew Charlie, and had a lot of respect
> for him. However, this is still hearsay evidence. What I am asking is,
is
Not hearsay. Charlie testified to personal knowledge of the actual
experiments being done, and the failure to publish.
--- I would like to read the transcript. For example, did Charlie "hear"
about the experiment being done. Did he really say it was not released
because of the LNT?
> there any documentation of such an experiment? This is the same as saying
Interesting. You claim that because it is covered up it doesn't exist!
--- No. I claim that if it did exist than there should be some evidence of
it. If it was covered up, why do we think it was done? I am not a big fan
of Oliver Stone's political agenda.
The fact of such experiments is well known. Oak Ridge ran substantial
quantities of K through the calutrons for biology experiments. Now, search
the literature for results of such studies.
-- Could you do this for me? Have haven't got the time you obviously do.
(Seriously, I admire your database of referenced material, even if it is
biased.)
In '82 Luckey obtained 'denatured' K for experiments at Argonne (reported by
Luckey 1986). He found that the material was recovered from experiments at
Oak Ridge in a vial dated 1962.
-- Could you cite the reference? What did Luckey do with this "denatured"
potassium? And what was the denatured aspect of it?
> there is a carburetor that allows a car to get 75 miles to a gallon of gas
> (4 liters to our international readers) Says who? There is a story that
> years ago the Navy located all the members of the original Nautilus crew,
> because another story was going around that they had all died from
> radiation. (Story of a story?) It seems to me that the government would
> have published this report since in the 1950's and 1960's was encouraging
> the use of nuclear power.
Wrong. You haven't been listening. (I'm kidding. I think you HAVE been
listening. Just don't like the answers.) Manhattan Project results were
suppressed. Dozens of studies were suppressed. Marshall Brucer reported that
in HPS 1987. Hugh Henry, at Oak Ridge, in JAMA!, 1961.
--- Yes, I have been listening, but need further information on the study.
I could not find anything that was published by Marshall Brucer in "Health
Physics." Can you provide a more detailed citation, if possible.
I was told these facts by senior Oak Ridge and AEC officials in 1972; by
Frigerio 1973, and in more extensive discussions during later work with him
in 1978.
> Again, where is the proof of the potassium cell study?
Done. Including Charlie's testimony of personal experience on the March 1996
NRC transcript.
Consider also NRC's refusal, and Oak Ridge refusal, to inquire about
Charlie's allegations.
--- Why should they? Was it relevant to the issue being discussed?
> By the way, I could not find the subcommittee report at the NRC Web Site.
I
> tried using the ADAMS, but that leaves much to be desired. Could you
> provide me the link so I can read it myself.
I don't know what NRC has done to the site since it put it back together
after trashing it post-9-11. You, somebody, must have time/interest in
finding such a specific item on the NRC site. (Do you really care?)
--- Yes, I care or else I would not be following up on my original question.
By the way, have you ever tried to use the NRC's ADAMS? They do not even
like it.
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