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Re: A clarification following John Jacobus's comments about my newsitem.



Howard,



I again do not understand your comments below.  Could 

you be more specific with your allegations if you are 

going to reference my name?



Bill Field

bill-field@uiowa.edu

> John J,

> Cameron was one of the Technical Advisory Committee of NSWS and more familiar

> with it than most authors of most "peer reviewed articles" of their studies. His

> insights are most revealing about political deceipt in the reporting of the

> data.

> 

> As an epidemiologist, I consider the data and inferences he presents as about as

> good as one can get short of placebo controlled studies - or ones with better

> "matched" controls than Field's 35% smokers vs 95% of lun cancer cases. Even

> placebo studies can distort application, as mingling ever-smokers (400% CV

> mortality after age 45 of never-smokers using estrogen-progestin)) for Prempro

> use or placebo, then decreeing never-smokers also should not use Prempro to

> reduce CV mortality, because of 130% incidence of CV disease for combined group.

> Prempro may reduce CV mortality in never-smokers, I believe.

> 

> I believe Cameron is right, and, in the right dose, ionizing radiation, like

> sunshine, is an essential trace energy

> 

> Howard Long

> 

> John Jacobus wrote:

> 

> > John,

> > I have read your letter to the BJR.  (Actually, I have read it the first

> > time you sent it to me and the previous letters that you have sent to

> > different newsletters.  I guess no one else has read them, or else they

> > would have been referenced by others beside yourself.)  Again, it is a

> > letter, which certainly does not carry the weight of a reviewed article.  It

> > carry the same impact as the "letters to the editors" we see in the local

> > papers.  Because I have read this letter I thought our readers should not be

> > lead into believe that is based on any proper peer review.  (I have yet to

> > see a "letter to the editor" peer reviewed.)

> >

> > The fact that your BJR letter "presented information not contained in the

> > original article" does not mean it is true.  If they are so startling, why

> > did the authors not see it?  Maybe they did not see the "good news" because

> > there is none.  Have YOU contacted the authors with your revelations?  I

> > believe that Berrington, Doll and associates are reasonably intelligent men.

> > As epidemiologists who have collected the data, they may even give you

> > insights into how their drew their conclusions and what the limitations

> > might be.  It might even be possible that this 36% difference in non-cancer

> > death rates is not considered significant based on the actual numbers.  Of

> > course, there could be a conspiracy to hide the "good news."

> >

> > I am not an epidemiologist, but I have been trying to learn a little about

> > the science.  As mentioned in the article, there are many sources of bias in

> > these studies that the epidemiologist has to consider.  It is not just the

> > statistics.  Again, I refer you to EPIDEMIOLOGY, November 1999, Vol. 10, No.

> > 6, "What You Should Have Learned >about Epidemiologic Data Analysis" at

> > http://ipsapp002.lwwonline.com/content/getfile/64/35/1/fulltext.htm and

> > EPIDEMIOLOGY 2001;12:114-122, "Causation of Bias: The Episcope" at

> > http://ipsapp002.lwwonline.com/content/getfile/64/48/19/fulltext.htm.  I do

> > not claim that will give you the skills to be an epidemiologist, but I did

> > learned things that the improved my evaluation skills.

> >

> > For example, the Berrington, et. al. paper does not present dosimetry data.

> > Do you think that kind of information is important?  In this country there

> > are radiologists who get little or any radiation exposure after their

> > residency programs.  Specifically, those who read mammography screening

> > films and CT or MRI images.  Maybe a number of these are in the 1955 to 1972

> > and newer groupings.  I would expect exposure values should be considered

> > among the radiologist.

> >

> > Another example was the control for confounding factors, like smoking.

> > Besides lung cancer, smoking contributes to heart and cariovascular disease.

> > Is there a correlation between non-cancers and smoking rate between

> > radiologist and non-radiologist MDs?

> >

> > Whether or not I think the "good news" about radiation should be mentioned

> > is not my concern.  I try to base my conclusions on the science and the

> > data.  I do not try to jump to conclusions about other researchers' work

> > without knowing all of the facts.  It is good science v. "data mining."

> >

> > -- John

> > John Jacobus, MS

> > Certified Health Physicist

> > 3050 Traymore Lane

> > Bowie, MD 20715-2024

> > jenday1@email.msn.com (H)

> >

> > John Cameron wrote:

> >

> > Dear Colleagues, I don't object to John Jacobus's comments but it

> > appears that he did not bother to read my letter to the BJR which was

> > readily available and compare its contents to the copy of the

> > original article which he has on hand. I suspect that most of the

> > readers of the news release are not as well informed as John Jacobus

> > is about radiation effects.  Most of the readers of the original

> > article probably did not study the data in Table 2 to see the good

> > news.

> >

> > My letter to the BJR presented information not contained in the

> > original article on British  radiologists. It is true that all the

> > data I presented were in the original Berrington et al article but

> > they  were ignored by the authors. They stated that there was no

> > evidence that radiation had an effect on any disease other than

> > cancer. They didn't mention that British radiologists who entered the

> > field from 1955 to 1979 had a non-cancer death rate 36% lower (i.e.,

> > they lived over three years longer P<0.001) than other male MDs in

> > England.  That sure looked like an effect on non-cancer to me. That

> > news was not mentioned in the Aug. 25, 2001 Lancet last year because

> > The Lancet commentator just read the conclusions and did not study

> > Table 2 to see the health improvement. I doubt if The Lancet

> > commentator will write another column pointing out the good news. (I

> > sent The Lancet a copy of my letter to the BJR so they would be aware

> > of the omission of the good news.) Perhaps no one wanted to criticize

> > an article with Sir Richard Doll as an author.

> > The authors of the 100 years of British radiologists study

> > used the same trick as Matanoski in the narrative of the NSWS final

> > report where she reported that the nuclear workers had not suffered

> > any ill effects of radiation at "this time". She made no mention of

> > their improved health.  It is inappropriate to have good news in the

> > data and not mention it.

> > Maybe John doesn't think that good news about radiation

> > should be mentioned. Why did no other person call this good news to

> > the attention of BJR readers during the last year?  it is significant

> > that the authors of the article chose not to rebut my comments. If

> > the British radiologists had clear health risks from radiation it

> > would have made the news.

> > Best wishes, John Cameron

> > . . .

> >

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