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RE: [cdn-nucl-l] Credibility of Doctors for Disaster Preparedness
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Dr. Howard Long writes (and I comment below):
To: Jerry Cuttler
Cc: Dukelow, James S Jr; 'cdn-nucl-l (E-mail) '; 'Ans-pie ';
Sent: 8/30/2002 5:45 AM
Subject: [cdn-nucl-l] Credibility of Doctors for Disaster Preparedness
Nuclear Safety Scientists and HPs, (sorry for the expansive steam),
I challenge this Dukelow slander of Doctors for Disaster Preparedness
and AAPS because I hope some of you will join us.
A cause of WTC collapse was asbestos fearmongering, detailed by Andy
Schafly to DDP July 27. Dukelow describes DDP as "a gathering of
conservative propagandists of various stripes". Oh? Were our speakers?
They were not only, 1, Jerry Cuttler, designer of safety systems for
CANDU 6, but also, 2, Henry Lamb, EVP of the Environmental Conservation
Org., 3&4, Sallie Baliunas and Willie Soon of Harvard-Smithsonian
Astrophysical Observ., 5, Herbert Inhaber, formerly of Canada's Atomic
Energy Control Board, 6, Jay Lehr, editor of McGraw Hill env.science
handbook, 7 Jay Kerrigan, mathematician, 8, Ed Zebronsk, editor of
Advanced Nuclear Reactors, etc.. Lowell Wood of LLNL updated his year
2,000 presentation with Edward Teller.
Will you call any of these scientists, "propagandists", to their faces,
Come to our next meeting!
I am proud to serve as one of 8 DDP directors. We include 3 radiologists
and Executive Director Jane Orient MD, former physics prof and Exec Dir
of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. Dukelow writes,
"blathering of a lawyer [Schafly] for a conservative association of
doctors (not the AMA - too liberal for the AAPS)."
Our AAPS is currently sueing the government (with the ACLU) to preserve
patient privacy. Does "liberal" now mean, "Clinton-Mussolini Plan
collaboration", like AMA? AAPS puts patients first, as AMA once did.
AAPS promotes "Patient Power".from Dallas NCPA and the libertarian CATO
I, too, trust few lawyers to be honest. Schafly has been unfailingly
accurate in scientific matters where I had independent knowledge. I give
MORE weight to Schafly's review than the opinion of "qualified engineers
and architects" on the payroll of parties at interest.
Howard Long MD MPH, (10 year attendee at yearly meetings of AAPS and
Dr. Long doth protest too much methinks (pace Shakespeare).
I didn't mention the Doctors for Disaster Preparedness and characterized
AAPS only as "a conservative association of doctors (not the AMA -- too
liberal for the AAPS) speaking at a gathering of conservative propagandists
of various stripes". That's the sum total of what I had to say about DDP
and AAPS. I'll say a bit more. DDP damages its own credibility by hosting
such one-sided meetings. I would be quite willing to characterize -- to
their faces -- Sallie Baliunas, Willie Soon, Arthur Robinson, Andrew
Schlafly, Jay Lehr, Howard Hayden, Henry Cooper, and Lowell Wood as
"conservative propagandists", especially Cooper and Wood, whose advocacy of
SDI/StarWars has contributed to the waste of billions of defense dollars on
an infeasible solution to the wrong problem. The attack on the WTC and the
Pentagon demonstrated exactly how well SDI can defend us against attack.
Steve Milloy, a biologist/biostatistician/lawyer, Andrew Schlafly, a lawyer
whose other background I have been unable to ascertain, and Dr. Long, a
medical doctor and MPH are all certain that "A cause of WTC collapse was
asbestos fearmongering". Dr. Long "give[s]MORE weight to Schafly's review
than the opinion of "qualified engineers and architects" on the payroll of
parties at interest". Perhaps there's a bit of slander [sic] there directed
toward the dozens of engineers and architects that responded to the request
to serve on the official inquiry into the events following the attack. I
find the official inquiry balanced, with careful description of what is
known and what is not known, what might be known with further study [I note
that the Bush Adminstration has just authorized that further study], and
what can never be known. On the other side are Milloy and Schlafly, who are
pursuing ideological agenda and who have written virtually nothing correct
about the collapse of the WTC towers. Dr. Long's problem seems to be
overwhelming credulity and lack of scepticism.
Bottom line -- my judgment, no proof implied or feasible. Asbestos spray-on
insulation would have failed to protect the WTC towers in exactly the same
fashion and to the same degree that the non-asbestos spray-on insulation did
[read the official inquiry report]. For an event like 9/11 there are much
better, but more expensive, insulation alternatives. A handful of people in
WTC 2 escaped past the impact zone in the early minutes after the impact.
Nobody in WTC 1 did. The aircraft impacts complete disrupted the emergency
escape routes. With the exception of that handful, nobody on the floors
above the impacts survived. The impacts rendered ineffective all of the
fire protection systems, including the structural steel insulation. There
are some interesting issues with respect to roof rescue, which was not
possible in the event because of long-standing jurisdictional disputes
between NYPC and NYFD. The way to keep high rises safe is to keep jet
liners out of the middle of them. Happily, that is the approach the
Adminstration has taken; let's pray it is successful.
Pacific Northwest National Laboratory
These comments are mine and have not been reviewed and/or approved by my
management or by the U.S. Department of Energy.
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