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RE: Get your tickets now!
- To: 'Radiation, Safety';, George, J., Vargo
- Subject: RE: Get your tickets now!
- From: Wes, Van, Pelt
- Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 16:27:05 -0600
- CC: Wesley, R., Van, Pelt
George,
Let me assure you that your opinions expressed below are not mine. The
current "radon controversy" goes to the heart of where much of the money and
energy in our health physics profession goes of late. While the debate will
not be resolved on Radsafe, both Bernie Cohen and Bill Field have the
courage to allow 3,000 Radsafers to benefit from their professional
expertise and scientific opinions. I have learned from both of these
scientists.
I think you have almost crossed the line with your choice of words regarding
Dr. Cohen.
Best regards,
Wes
Wesley R. Van Pelt, PhD, CIH, CHP
Wesley R. Van Pelt Associates, Inc.
Consulting in Radiation Safety and Environmental Radioactivity.
http://home.att.net/~wesvanpelt/Radiation.html
mailto:wesvanpelt@att.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
[mailto:owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu]On Behalf Of George J. Vargo
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 8:56 PM
To: 'Hart, Tim P GS (RASO)'; 'maury'; 'Frank Scarano II'; 'BERNARD L COHEN';
'Gary Howard'; 'Radiation Safety'
Subject: RE: Get your tickets now!
Please, for God's sake, please take this discussion off RADSAFE! We are so
tired and weary that I don't care if I EVER hear of radon again. Bernie is
clueless as exhibited by his numerous postings in which he is impervious to
the answering the issue at hand in favor of a previously posted web site
position. This has become a Rod Sterling vision of hell, an endless
repetition of mantra and personal theology (e.g., #n of my 'z on item 'y on
my entrenched-belief web site.) Please, PLEASE do not bait him with further
queries, brickbats, comments or responses! If you ignore him and keep quiet
he will eventually go away.
I believe I speak for the majority of RadSafe subscribers that we are all
sick and tired of the circular banter.
Bernie, PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND. Please just accept that we all agree to
disagree and leave us in peace.
Please, for the sake of the children!
George J. Vargo, Ph.D., CHP
vargo@physicist.net
610-925-1954
610-925-5545 (fax)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
[mailto:owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu] On Behalf Of Hart, Tim P GS
(RASO)
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 4:40 PM
To: 'maury'; Frank Scarano II; 'BERNARD L COHEN'; 'Gary Howard'; 'Radiation
Safety'
Subject: RE: Get your tickets now!
While the tickets have run out I am willing to start a pool as to the date
and time of the last volley in this insane war of words. Squares will sell
for a very reasonable $1000 each. The winner will receive 50% of the
profits. 25% of the profits will be given to fund Mr. Cohen's reward. And
the rest will be divided between any members of RADSAFE that did not
participate in the argument and did not inscribe in frustration of having to
delete all of the useless e-mails.
Please let this topic die or take the conversation off line.
Tim Hart
Radiation Protection Manager
NAVSEADET RASO
NWS P.O. Drawer 260
Yorktown, VA 23691-0260
Commercial: (757) 887-4692
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"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him
absolutely no good." - Samuel Johnson
-----Original Message-----
From: maury [mailto:maury@webtexas.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 4:24 PM
To: Frank Scarano II
Cc: 'BERNARD L COHEN'; 'Gary Howard'; 'Radiation Safety'
Subject: Re: Get your tickets now!
Hi Frank,
I'm genuinely sorry but the circus has become so popular that the regular
tickets have sold out. If we can expand the show with more participants
(ooohhhh nooooo, Mr. Bill, noooooooo) SRO tickets are being considered.
Cheers,
Maury Siskel maury@webtexas.com
PS Volunteer scorekeepers are needed. Only 6 mos. to go to the awards
ceremony. Beat the crowds; get your ankle biting done early this year.
PPS Applications for new entertainment issues are now being considered. The
only requirement is that your submission must not involve Dr. Cohen -- his
backlog is already overloaded. In fact, his frontlog is also overloaded. It
is amazing how well he bears up under all of this ....
======================= Frank Scarano II wrote:
> Gees
>
> Where do you get your tickets from?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
> [mailto:owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu] On Behalf Of BERNARD L
> COHEN
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 10:58 AM
> To: Gary Howard
> Cc: Radiation Safety
> Subject: Re: Get your tickets now!
>
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003, Gary Howard wrote:
>
> Dr. Cohen has asked others for explanations why his results
> > do not indicate the demise of the LNT. Don't ask if you don't want
> > to receive!
>
> --I asked for explanations in terms of not implausible,
> concrete, hypothetical examples. None has been offered
>
> > Field offered reviewers, Cohen rejected them in favor of people who
> > could care less about epidemiology.
>
> --My work is not conventional epidemiology, which is intended
> to determine dose-response relationships. My work should be judged by
> people who know how to judge a new and novel approach to solving a
> scientific problem, and willing to follow my tightly reasoned
> justification while seeking holes in it. Some epidemiologists (and
> Mossman) view my work as a determination of the dose-response
> relationship, which I have always
pointed
> out that it is not. I see no indication that they understand my
> tightly reasoned justification, or have even tried to understand it.
> Have you
tried?
> If so, can you point out a hole in it?
>
> Field offered a substative way to
> > find the cause of his discrepancy. Cohen has denied he understands
> > what
> Field is talking about. This is why we are getting nowhere.
>
> --I could understand if he made up a concrete hypothetical
> example. Without it, I cannot evaluate plausibility, so the
-- snipped ----------
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