RE: Fwd: Debate

[George, J., Vargo]

John, Bill,



I collectively refer to these folks as the "radiation apologists" -- i.e.

those for whom "radiation protection" means protecting radiation's good

name.



A thought:  "Never wrestle with a pig.  The pig merely enjoys it, and an

onlooker cannot distinguish between the two."    Source, unknown, but not

unappreciated.



George J. Vargo, Ph.D., CHP

Senior Scientist

MJW Corporation

http://www.mjwcorp.com

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610-925-5545 (fax)

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-----Original Message-----

From: owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu

[mailto:owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu] On Behalf Of John Jacobus

Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 3:32 PM

To: Field, R. William

Cc: radsafe

Subject: Re: Fwd: Debate





Bill,

I am sorry to hear about your problems with the

"Radiation and Safety Health" gang.  Of course, you

probably should have realized very shortly after the

exchange started the nature of their agenda.  You,

afterall, challenged two of their beliefs.  First,

radiation is good for you. Second, everyone who

disagrees with us is wrong, an member of the NCRP,

ICRP, etc., "mafia."



They provide in number of articles and links that

support their view.  Woe be you if you ever question

any of it.  I have had experiences with their

arguements, which basically boil down to bombardments

of e-mails and name-calling. There is really no

difference between them and the extreme anit-nuclear

is they feel they have the "truth" on their side. 

They purport to have science on their side.  All they

have is narrow view that they intend to force down

other's throats.



I hope you had a good weekend.





--- "Field, R. William" <bill-field@uiowa.edu> wrote:



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And yet another debate, I just sent the following

email tomy former coworker at UC Berkeley, Pete

Vernig.   Seeattachment - 



--------------- Text of forwarded message

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Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 14:22:38-0500

To: "Vernig, Peter G." <Peter.Vernig@med.va.gov>

From: "Field, R. William" <bill-field@uiowa.edu>

Subject: Debate



Pete, 



 I think your suggestion was a good one, although I am

not sure how it would go. I was asked to debate

someone on the topic of residential radon for the

journal, Medical Physics.  The journal had a tough

time finding someone and then asked Cohen to do it. 

We both sent in our opening argument, but Cohen was

asked to leave the debate when he continually refused

to reference assertions he made in the debate.  As you

can see, Dr. Cohen and I have been communicating off

list also, which adds to my further frustration.  



I suggested Phillpe Duport and we ended up having a

very enrichingdebate, see attachment.



I had to delete my epirad address, I was getting at

least 8 disgustingemails a day from the Radiation

Safety and health Group as well asnumerous non

understandable posts fron Howard Long.

My new email address is niton@mchsi.com, but feel free

to email me at myUniversity email address.  



Bill   





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-- John

John Jacobus, MS

Certified Health Physicist

e-mail:  crispy_bird@yahoo.com



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