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RE: The "right" answer
Let's be kind to one another. Hormesis is an undeniable and unchalengeable
fact - period. There have been many crop studies to back this up. The
question is whether the hormesis effect seen in plants, and possibly in some
animals, applies to humans. It just might indeed.
Grant
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ted Rockwell [SMTP:tedrock@CPCUG.ORG]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 6:25 PM
> To: John Jacobus; Jerry Cohen; Muckerheide; radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu;
> Dr. Otto Raabe; rad-sci-l@WPI.EDU
> Cc: Jim Muckerheide
> Subject: RE: The "right" answer
>
> John:
>
> I can't let stand your repeated characterization of those who recognize
> the
> beneficial effects of LDR as a fringe group. Once you get outside the
> literature controlled by the radiation protection establishment, and look
> at
> Science, Nature and the mainstream biological journals such as the
> Quarterly
> Review of Biology, you'll see statements such as "homesis is not the
> exception to the rule, it is the rule." So the demand for "extraordinary
> proof" for "extraordinary claims" should be applied to the LNT
> premise--never even claimed by its advocates to be proved--that LDR is
> harmful.
>
> But even within the RadProt community the truth is recognized, if not
> implemented. Both ANS and HPS have issued formal position papers, after
> several years of open discussion and word engineering, that the LNT is not
> suitable for predicting health effects below 10rem (orders of magnitude
> above the regulatory figures in question).
>
> Add to all that explicit statements by the French Academy of Medicine,
> UNSCEAR and WHO, and...what DO you need to avoid the "fringe" label?
>
> Ted Rockwell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Jacobus [mailto:crispy_bird@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 10:56 AM
> To: Jerry Cohen; Muckerheide; Dr. Theodore Rockwell;
> radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu; Dr. Otto Raabe; rad-sci-l@WPI.EDU
> Cc: Jim Muckerheide
> Subject: Re: The "right" answer
>
>
> One should also remember that funding is also given to
> research that produces good science. Afterall, DOE is
> now funding low-dose radiation studies in an effort to
> answer fundamental questions. Of course, people do
> not like the DOE studies because they do not support
> their beliefs or agenda. If flaws are found with the
> Taiwanese, their will be those who charge bias as when
> problems with the NSWS were noted.
>
> I am not a big believer in government or regulatory
> conspiracy theories. I am more worried about fringe
> groups who try to impose their views and power over
> others.
>
> Again, I find it hard to believe that the Taiwanese
> investigators cannot produce an adequate study.
>
> --- Jerry Cohen <jjcohen@prodigy.net> wrote:
> > I would agree that in the best of all worlds,
> > studies should be judged
> > on their scientific merit. Unfortunately in the real
> > world this is often not
> > the case. Those who fund scientific research can
> > have a vested interest in
> > preserving their power so that research results
> > inimical them would tend to
> > be viewed with disfavor. For example, anything
> > indicating that radiation
> > exposure might not be as harmful as commonly
> > believed would not be conducive
> > to supporting large budgets for radiation safety
> > programs and would
> > therefore threaten those involved in these
> > programs.The NSWS provides a
> > classic example. Those who believe that the current
> > DOE funded studies on
> > low-level radiation effects will produce unbiased
> > results are likely
> > deluding themselves.
> > Perhaps the Taiwanese Co-60 investigation may be
> > flawed, but if the
> > indicated results could be verified, it would
> > certainly pose a threat to
> > the current radiation safety establishment.
> > Therefore, in the current
> > climate, it is hard to be optimistic that
> > confirmatory studies will be
> > undertaken.
> >
> . . .
>
> =====
> -- John
> John Jacobus, MS
> Certified Health Physicist
> e-mail: crispy_bird@yahoo.com
>
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