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RE: transportation event
Manny of the ammo cans I have seen are pretty banged up. Some very banged
up. Also having had some experience with ammo cans in another existence, I
can tell you that if they are either banged up and or just not carefully
closed with the latch mechanism, they can pop open when bounced. I presume,
any testing done was with the latch carefully and properly closed and the
can in if not mint condition at least not severely damaged. I can easily
see one popping open.
Also while Cardinal Health [Syncor] uses them and maybe others, Mallinkrodt
uses an attaché case type container.
Any opinions expressed in this message are mine alone and do not necessarily
represent those of the Eastern Colorado VA Health Care System, The
Department of Veterans Affairs, or the United States Government.
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Jacobus [mailto:crispy_bird@YAHOO.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:14 PM
To: Luke.I.McCormick@nwd02.usace.army.mil; radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
Subject: RE: transportation event
Every ammo can that I have every seen used indicates
it is a Type A package.
--- Luke.I.McCormick@nwd02.usace.army.mil wrote:
> Tc-99m is shipped limited quantity. No Type A
> requirement, only a strong
> tight container. Ammo cans are pretty standard at
> nuc med firms.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William V Lipton
> [mailto:liptonw@DTEENERGY.COM]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 12:46 PM
> To: John Jacobus
> Cc: radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
> Subject: Re: transportation event
>
>
> Thanx for the reference. In this case, the issue
> isn't the total activity,
> its the additional, unbalanced weight in the
> package.
> If the lead pig is not properly secured against
> movement within the package,
> it can make the package fail, even if the package
> passed the drop test without it. If the lead pig
> was secured in the test
> package, then the hold down mechanism would be part
> of
> the package certification.
>
> The opinions expressed are strictly mine.
> It's not about dose, it's about trust.
> Curies forever.
>
> Bill Lipton
> liptonw@dteenergy.com
>
> John Jacobus wrote:
>
> > If you want to see a typical Type A package in
> which
> > nuclear medicine material is shipped, see Figure
> 11E
> > on page 34 of the pdr document located at
> > http://hazmat.dot.gov/pubtrain/ramreview.pdf
> > On the previous page it says the contents can be
> up to
> > 270 mCi. They are easy to open by just pulling on
> the
> > handle.
> >
> > Typical nuclear medicine syringe shields look like
> > these
> >
>
http://www.harpellassociates.com/b/b-syringe-pigs.asp
> > At least they screw together.
> >
> > --- William V Lipton <liptonw@DTEENERGY.COM>
> wrote:
> > > You bring up an interesting question. The
> specified
> > > drop test height for a
> > > Type A package weighing less than 11,000 pounds
> is 4
> > > feet (49 CFR 173.465), so
> > > the package should have easily survived the
> drop.
> > > It's not completely clear
> > > from the incident description, but it seems that
> the
> > > package failed BEFORE the
> > > syringe was run over. ( The incident describes
> the
> > > syringe being run over, not
> > > the package. Also, if the intact package had
> been
> > > run over, it's unlikely the
> > > syringe would have been lost.)
> > >
> > > The incident description also describes the
> Tc-99m
> > > syringe as being in a lead
> > > pig. The question: Is an ammo box qualified as
> a
> > > Type A package when it
> > > contains a lead pig? i.e. were the tests
> performed
> > > with a comparable pig in
> > > the box? I would guess not. My experience is
> that
> > > there seems to be a
> > > widespread misuse of "Type A" packaging, based
> on
> > > the misconception that, if
> > > the packaging is qualified as Type A, you can
> use it
> > > for anything.
> > >
> > > I'm sure there are some Radsafers who use this
> > > packaging. Please look at your
> > > test results. What did the packaging contain
> when
> > > the package (package =
> > > packaging + contents) was tested? My guess:
> sand.
> > >
> > . . .
> >
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> > -- John
> > John Jacobus, MS
> > Certified Health Physicist
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> >
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