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RE: Dirty bomb article (Nature)



you are correct regarding the behavior of the particle at 100(some pollen) which by definition is not an aerosol as well as the 10 u which is an aerosol. however, they are both readily inhalable and 10 remains perhaps suspended for some time, but they differ in that the 100 is easily removed through clearance mechanisms because they get no further than the throat or nasal passage but 10 gets deeper and many remain in lower respiratory tract.



the 100 is readily swallowed.

these particles may not be as dense as sand and thus demonstrate different aerodynamic behavors due to nonspherical shape. from a risk assessment point of view this size particle is a problem especially under the circumstances under discussion.



-----Original Message-----

From: Fritz A. Seiler [mailto:faseiler@NMIA.COM]

Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 3:25 PM

To: radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu; Bjorn Cedervall

Cc: Joseph L. Alvarez

Subject: RE: Dirty bomb article (Nature)





Hi All,



Here again is a beautiful example of knowing just enough to be

dangerous!  In my career as a nuclear physicist I did not come 

into real contact with aerosol science until I leaned about it

as an NBC(Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical warfare) officer in

the Swiss Army.  Due to its 'National Guard' nature, we had all

kinds of scientists in the NBC defense service.  I doubt very 

much that the physicists cited in Nature were aware just how 

difficult it is to make an inhalable aerosol even in a powerful

chemical explosion.  In the Goiana incident we obviously had to

deal with a ready made powder with an unknown spectrum of particle

sizes, and the dirty bomb would produce an equally unkown spectrum.

The two cases can, therefore, not be used to evaluate each other's

consequences.  Remember, a particle of about 100 micrometers or more

is a fine grain of sand that has a tendency to fall right past your

face without negotiating the turn needed to enter your mouth or nose.

The best size for inhalation lies at aerodynamic diameters below 10

micrometers or so.  In the book Joe Alvarez and I are writing, we 

present the reader with a dirty bomb problem that hinges on his 

ability to aerosolize a monelclad RaBe source by a shaped explosion.

You can have quite a bit of fun with that! What you need essentially

is the knowledge of an explosive specialist and those do not grow on

trees.



Funny how little expertise you need to scare many people!



Best



Fritz



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-----Original Message-----

From: owner-radsafe@list.Vanderbilt.Edu

[mailto:owner-radsafe@list.Vanderbilt.Edu]On Behalf Of Bjorn Cedervall

Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 2:51 PM

To: radsafe@list.Vanderbilt.Edu

Subject: Dirty bomb article (Nature)





http://www.nature.com/nsu/040503/040503-3.html



FYI & best regards,



Bjorn Cedervall        bcradsafers@hotmail.com



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