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RE: Strontium-90 on Tennessee Highway 95
The issue about a nuclear winter, which should be a
radiation effects related subject, came out of an
article that appeared in the journal "Science."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter
It was called the TTAPS study (I love the name) of
which Dr. Sagan was a co-author. It originally work
was on the study of the climate of Mars. The central
idea was that only nuclear weapons had the energy to
loft dust and smoke high enough in the atmosphere so
that long term conditions would result in a cooling of
the earth, called a nuclear winter. In the article,
the authors admitted that what they considered was
only a first order approximation. In the years the
followed, there were several more studies including
some of the DOE labs,
http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=5316433
and http://oasis.harvard.edu/html/env00007.html
Eventually, the idea of a nuclear winter lead to a
nuclear autumn. I guess the labs ran out of money for
this kind of work. Also, it was clear that oil fires
would not lead to a "nuclear winter," as the soot was
not be lofted high enough to have a long lasting
effect.
Two interesing side items. There was a Health Physics
Society Summer School in 1984 on the Health Physics
Aspects of a Nuclear Attack. Coincidence? Also, the
original study on the effects of nuclear weapons
spawned much of the research on global climate.
http://www.the-scientist.com/yr1989/may/fellman_p1_890501.html
--- "Riely, Brian P." <brian.riely@ngc.com> wrote:
> I believe that there is a difference between some
> environmental damage and a nuclear winter. I am
> also concern about what happens outside of the US.
>
> Please address any more comments off line.
>
> Thank you
>
> Brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Jacobus [mailto:crispy_bird@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 2:07 PM
> To: Riely, Brian P.; jjcohen; RuthWeiner@AOL.COM;
> vargo@physicist.net;
> joseroze@netvision.net.il; RadSafeInst@cableone.net;
> bobcherry@cox.net;
> radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
> Subject: RE: Strontium-90 on Tennessee Highway 95
>
>
> I do believe that the oil fires did lead to some
> environmental damage. But that was not in the
> Western
> Hemisphere, so we were not concerned.
>
> --- "Riely, Brian P." <brian.riely@ngc.com> wrote:
> > Carl Sagan?
> >
> > Wasn't he the guy who was oppose to G.H.W. Bush
> > going to war with Sadam because, if we went to war
> > with S.H., he would light the oil field which
> would
> > cause a nuclear winter. Well, I guess I should
> give
> > Professor Sagan partial credit because he was
> > correct about S.H. setting fire to the oil fields.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Jacobus [mailto:crispy_bird@YAHOO.COM]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:34 AM
> > To: jjcohen; RuthWeiner@AOL.COM;
> > vargo@physicist.net;
> > joseroze@netvision.net.il;
> RadSafeInst@cableone.net;
> > bobcherry@cox.net;
> > radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
> > Subject: Re: Strontium-90 on Tennessee Highway 95
> >
> >
> > I believe that it was in Carl Sagan's book, "The
> > Demon-Haunted World," that some psychologist
> believe
> > people were abduced by aliens from space. It has
> to
> > be true because the patients said so.
> >
> > --- jjcohen <jjcohen@PRODIGY.NET> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ruth,
> > > Are you suggesting that perception may
> not
> > > actually be reality? What a radical concept!
> > >
>
> >
> > >
>
> >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: RuthWeiner@aol.com
> > > To: vargo@physicist.net ;
> jjcohen@PRODIGY.NET
> > ;
> > > joseroze@netvision.net.il ;
> > RadSafeInst@cableone.net
> > > ; bobcherry@cox.net ;
> radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
> > > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 8:09 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Strontium-90 on Tennessee
> Highway
> > > 95
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 5/17/04 8:25:06 PM
> Mountain
> > > Daylight Time, vargo@physicist.net writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > Actually, there's a lot of validity in
> that
> > A
> > > lot of us could use more training in effective
> > > communication,
> > >
> > >
> > > If you know what you are talking about, and
> > are
> > > enthusiastic about it and about communicating
> it,
> > > and accept disagreement, you don't need training
> > in
> > > communication. If you aren't, all the training
> in
> > > the world won't help you.
> > >
> > > psychology, leadership (the right-brain kind
> > of
> > > stuff). I can recall many instances
> > >
> > > where radiation workers, members of the
> > > public, etc. have been turned "anti" because of
> > > dismissive or condescending attitudes,
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh my! Had i been put off by "condescending
> > > attitudes," I wouldn't have succeeded at
> anything!
> >
> > > Whatever happened to "Sticks and stones may
> break
> > my
> > > bones but names will never hurt me?" Or was
> that
> > > saved for the lower-middle-class children of the
> > > 1940s, like me. Or are people so easily
> beguiled
> > by
> > > sycophancy that they can't take ordinary
> > > disagreement and different attitudes?
> > >
> > > ineptly communicated explanations of risk,
> or
> > > the "we know what's good for you"
> > >
> > > attitude. Like or not, personal
> perceptions
> > > become personal realities and feelings become
> > > beliefs.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sure, like the folks who thought laetrile
> > could
> > > cure cancer. Or the people who won't use seat
> > belts
> > > (in the words of Consumer Reports: "Americans
> > think
> > > they are immortal until the moment of impact").
> > Or
> > > the people who think aliens landed at Roswell,
> NM.
> >
> > > Or...
> > >
> > > Ruth
> > >
> > >
> > > Ruth Weiner, Ph. D.
> > > ruthweiner@aol.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > =====
> > +++++++++++++++++++
> > "We cannot escape danger, or the fear of danger,
> by
> > crawling into bed and pulling the covers over our
> > heads."
> > -- Franklin Delano Roosevelt
> >
> > -- John
> > John Jacobus, MS
> > Certified Health Physicist
> > e-mail: crispy_bird@yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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"We cannot escape danger, or the fear of danger, by crawling into bed and pulling the covers over our heads."
-- Franklin Delano Roosevelt
-- John
John Jacobus, MS
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