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RE: Humans Raise Risk of Europe Heatwaves -Greenhouse Effect a Non-Issue???
Next time, try using the royal "we."
--- "Stabin, Michael"
<michael.g.stabin@vanderbilt.edu> wrote:
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
> [mailto:owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu] On Behalf
> Of
> hflong@pacbell.net
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 10:38 PM
> To: farbersa; Dukelow, James S Jr;
> radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
> Cc: info@oism.org
> Subject: Re: Humans Raise Risk of Europe Heatwaves
> -Greenhouse Effect a
> Non-Issue???
>
>
> Art Robinson, PhD,
> This slander of you, OISM and the 17,000 of us who
> carefully reviewed
> the impressive data on the BENEFIT of more
> atmospheric CO2 needs
> succinct rebuttle to the many health physicists who
> see this chat box. I
> hope you can interest some of them in reviewing data
> for themselves.
> This is a different group than the critical
> audiences of radsci or DDP
> who are generally persuaded to endorse the petition.
> Perhaps moderator
> Sabin will welcome brief comment by yourself, Zach,
> and/or Salle B or
> Willie Soon, to persuade critical analysis of data
> online about "the
> global warming myth" pertinent to radiation safety.
>
> Howard Long
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "farbersa" <farbersa@optonline.net>
> To: "Dukelow, James S Jr" <jim.dukelow@PNL.GOV>;
> "howard long"
> <hflong@pacbell.net>; <radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 7:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Humans Raise Risk of Europe Heatwaves
> -Greenhouse Effect a
> Non-Issue???
>
>
> > Jim:
> > Thanks for your thoughtful comment on the
> questionable oism paper
> > against the greenhouse effect. I find the two
> positions argued by
> > Howard Long a bit curious. He wants to get the
> public, regulators, and
>
> > legislators to be less concerned about minor
> radiation exposures and
> > even accept the benefits of radiation hormesis
> --something that will
> > likely happen when hell freezes over. All these
> groups act on the
> > basis that they "know" that ionizing radiation is
> harmful down to the
> > last photon or alpha emission.
> >
> > At the same time, Howard is arguing against there
> being any problem
> > with the release of about twenty billion tons of
> carbon dioxide a year
>
> > into the air from fossil fuel burning leading to
> steady increases in
> > atmospheric CO2 levels [which baseload nuclear
> generation would help
> > reduce]. Everyone [the public, regulators, and
> legislators] "knows"
> > that the greenhouse effect is a serious
> environmental issue. This
> > issue has the potential to cut nuclear power plant
> radiation risks
> > some "slack" in the popular mind, if it were
> widely understood and
> > accepted that nuclear power generated electricity
> helps to avoid some
> > of the "accepted" and "obvious" risks from the
> greenhouse effect.
> >
> > I'm not a climate scientist, and neither is
> Howard. However, when the
> > broad scientific consensus from the top climate
> research centers
> > around the world is coming to accept the
> greenhouse effect is real and
>
> > growing worse -- with sea level rising 3 mm/year [
> 1 inch/8 years],
> > why try to fight it?
> >
> > Even Tony Blair and the British Government is
> going to go to the mat
> > opposing the Bush administration for not
> recognizing the seriousness
> > of the greenhouse effect on the world's climate.
> >
> > Stewart Farber
> > farbersa@optonline.net
> > =================
> > On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 17:59:46 -0800, Dukelow, James
> S Jr
> > <jim.dukelow@pnl.gov> wrote:
> >
> > > Howard Long wrote:
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
> > > [mailto:owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu] On
> Behalf Of howard long
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 4:36 PM
> > > To: farbersa; radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu
> > > Subject: Re: Humans Raise Risk of Europe
> Heatwaves:
> > >
> > >
> > > Stewart,
> > > Your dismissive comment suggests that you did
> not review the 8 pp of
>
> > > graphic, impressive data reviewed critically by
> the thousands of us
> > > who signed the petition. Again, that data at
> www.oism.org/pproject
> > > gives ample reason for us nuclear power
> proponents to NOT associate
> > > ouselves with the selective "science'" of the
> global warming
> > > industry. We should then lose credibility about
> the safety of
> > > nuclear power. Howard Long
> > >
> > > ================
> > > The 8 p. paper that Howard refers to -- as
> Stewart notes, available
> > > at the oism website -- is an improved version of
> the piece-or-trash
> > > that Frederick Seitz sent out to hundreds or
> thousands of scientists
>
> > > a number of years ago, Seitz' pseudo PNAS paper
> scam. The paper,
> > > with the same authors, was formatted to look
> just like a PNAS paper.
>
> > > Seitz solicited signees to an early version of
> the current OISM
> > > petition. There was considerable,
> uncomplementary commentary about
> > > the scam in the science press at the time. The
> commentary included
> > > identification of some of the ludicrous errors
> in the original
> > > version of the paper. Most of those have been
> removed in the
> > > revised version, but the marshalling of evidence
> is still extremely
> > > selective. Even the revised version is not a
> reliable source of
> > > information about climate. None of the authors
> of
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