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RE : One day story - compare Bhopal, Seveso.....



This trend is very interesting as I strongly feel that WE bare also a part

of the responsibility for the mis-perception. Bhopal is always part of any

of my Rad Safety training to illustrate what chemical plants can do...and so

is the nice picture about propane BBQ...Do you ever compare the chances of

getting HIV from a blood spill with the chances of getting cancer from a

radioactive spill ? Do we ever compare erythema with chemical burns ? I

always recall that the Gentilly II nuclear power plant was partly evacuated

once because of a chlorine leak in one of the nearby plant, not the

opposite...



I am trained in HAZMAT first response for my facility here, I am also

trained as first responder, medical, and rope and rescue for confined

spaces. I am looking for the day when other radsafers will be able to see

the world outside rad safety as I hear many interesting "exaggeration" of

specific HAZMAT response for radioactive material. Guess WHO is responsible

of establishing the BIG difference between rad spill and chemical spills ?

Health physicists !!! Job conservation ? Enthusiastic response ? I don' have

the answer. But for sure, many HPs I have heard during conferences are

over-estimating the risk of a rad spill in a university or a nuclear

medicine department !!!



Is there any tentative to group radiation safety within Safety and IH

department at your facility ?  Of course not, it is an "aberration" to mix

it. I agree, for specialized facility, this is simply not practical and not

feasible but the message we are sending is that radiation IS SO SPECIAL that

we need extra people, extra monies to cope with a limited increase of risk

in fatality or even morbidity.



Don't get me wrong here, I still value the work all HPs are doing in there

respective fields and I certainly understand the challenges in a nuclear

power plant. After all, I am an HP as well. But perception will change only

if people can relate to some references, and comparing radiation exposure in

"numbers of X-rays" is no longer enough to get a full picture.I wish that we

can truly compare all the risks using a same references. I have to say that

regulatory agencies do not help to keep it rational when they are asking for

inventories of microcuries of H-3 when certain toxins can be bought "of the

shelf"...And we, experts, are buying this trend. I am not even starting to

talk about Homeland Insecurity (great word John...)



My opinion only



Stéphane Jean-François, Eng., CHP

Spécialiste en radioprotection/Health Physics specialist

Gestion des risques/Risk Management

Centre de recherche thérapeutique de Merck Frosst/Merck Frosst Center for

Therapeutic Research

514-428-8695

FAX: 514-428-8670

stephane_jeanfrancois@merck.com

www.merckfrosstlab.ca







-----Message d'origine-----

De : owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu

[mailto:owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu] De la part de Falo, Gerald A Dr

KADIX

Envoyé : Monday, December 06, 2004 10:43 AM

À : radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu

Objet : RE: One day story - compare Bhopal, Seveso.....





All,



Interestingly, there was a story on NPR on the 20th anniversary of Bhopal:

//www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4199681. According to my

memory of the broadcast, they interviewed one woman whose husband died, and

she received about US$4,000 and an apt without utility service as

compensation. It appears that some was compensation offered. I think I

recall that at the time of the disaster or soon afterward, the Indian

authorities issued an arrest warrant for the chairman of Union Carbide.



I also agree with much of what Bob Cherry said about conspiracies. One

aspect of conspiracy theories is that they morph to fit all circumstances so

that evidence to the contrary becomes proof of conspiracy; that is, in the

minds of conspiracy theorists, the conspirators let out just enough

information to *disprove* a given conspiracy just to throw off the masses.



Finally, I think that the boards of publicly held companies have a fiduciary

duty to stockholders to run the company in manner to serve the interests of

the stockholders not the public, the "truth," or anyone else. I'm not a

legal expert, so I don't know what laws apply.  It's in the interest of

publicly held companies to maximize profits. Privately held companies and

advocacy groups, of course, do not have that obligation.



The statements and opinions expressed herein are my responsibility; no one

else (certainly not my employer) is responsible, but I still reserve the

right to make mistakes.

 

Check core temperature: yes./no? Yes! - Homer Simpson

 

Gerald A. Falo, Ph.D., CHP

Kadix Systems 

U.S. Army Center for Health Promotion and Preventive Medicine

jerry.falo@us.army.mil

410-436-4852

 

-----Original Message-----

From: owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu

[mailto:owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu] On Behalf Of Franz Schönhofer

Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 4:14 PM

To: 'Stabin, Michael'; radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu

Subject: AW: One day story - compare Bhopal, Seveso.....



Mike,



I agree with a lot of what has been written in reply to your posting. 



But let us go a step further:



First question: Does anybody on RADSAFE know the name "Bhopal"? On Friday,

Dec. 3rd was the twentieth anniversary of an unbelievable catastrophe, when

in a chemical factory of Union Carbide in Bhopal, India, chemicals were

spread by an explosion over the vicinity of the factory, causing within the

same night 8,000 deaths and altogether until now about 20 000 deaths. The

average time of the firstly affected persons to die was 3 minutes. More than

100 000 people are still affected by the poisoning. Union Carbide was bought

by Dow Chemical in 2001. Neither of those companies paid any compensations

to victims or their relatives. The place of the factory has not been cleaned

up yet after 20 years. 



Second question: Does anybody know the name "Seveso"? This should be an

easier question, because it is not as far away as India and does not involve

those "underdogs" of India, but it is in Italy!



I know of the stories (I recently read one again about millions affected by

Chernobyl), but I know no answer for the question, why nuclear is so much in

focus of the mass media and the average population, though we have so much

more severe catastrophes - not only in nature, but also in chemical

industry. 



Best regards,



Franz















Franz Schoenhofer

PhD, MR iR

Habicherg. 31/7

A-1160 Vienna

AUSTRIA

phone -43-0699-1168-1319





> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----

> Von: owner-radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu [mailto:owner- 

> radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu] Im Auftrag von Stabin, Michael

> Gesendet: Sonntag, 05. Dezember 2004 04:44

> An: radsafe@list.vanderbilt.edu

> Betreff: One day story

> 

> 

> Saturday, December 04, 2004, Associated Press - HOUSTON - An explosion 

> at a chemical plant Friday that could be heard 20 miles away caused a 

> large fire and sent up massive clouds of smoke...

> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,140490,00.html

> 

> 

> I ask you, in all seriousness, viewing the spectacular images of this 

> scene, would this have been a one day story if it had instead involved 

> any kind of nuclear facility? Tomorrow this will be forgotten, but

will

> be followed by a number of similar stories throughout 2005: tanker 

> trucks, rail cars, facilities full of toxic chemicals will be involved 

> in accidents. Entire communities will be evacuated, emergency

responders

> will be adversely affected, there may be loss of life. Will any

efforts

> comparable to those employed in nuclear-related industries to reduce

and

> optimize radiation dose be made to increase the safety of these 

> industries? No.

> 

> This is why, in my comments on the ICRP 2005 initiatives, I called an 

> "ethical consideration" the extreme lengths that we go to in

protecting

> humans, and now elements of the environment (as I call it, the "Dose

to

> Bunnies and Bushes Initiative") from doses of radiation comparable to 

> natural background levels. As much as we would all like more funding

for

> health physics studies, we have been chasing picoSv of dose to humans 

> for too long, and now are going to chase picoSv of dose to bunnies and 

> bushes, while society's resources could be spent instead on reducing 

> REAL morbidity and mortality elsewhere? This is simply wrong, and I

will

> not keep silent about it.

> 

> 

> Mike





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