[ RadSafe ] DU and other sublimed metals; nano-pathology

[James G. Barnes]

Good evening,

I have a couple of questions and some observations.

The reference you listed leads me to a discussion of Tc-99 labeling on
carbon nano-particles, yet the discussion preceding it seems to discuss
uranium behavior.  Did you link to the intended reference, or are you
drawing a parallel between Tc-99 plated on carbon and U.

Also, is your central contention that it is the chemical behavior of DU that
is producing the physical debilities, or do you consider that it is a
radiological effect?  The problem that I have with the "dissolved U"
hypothesis is that it would seem to me you'd have to get quite a bit of U
into the bloodstream and into the tissues to see the effect, and if you get
that much dissolution going on, I believe you'd be able to detect it in
urine or through other bioassay techniques.  Yet, except for folks with
shrapnel embedded in their bodies, controlled sampling programs are not
detecting U above background levels using radiological techniques.  Has
anyone done chemical assay (e.g. blood or urine) for U, and if so, what have
been the results?

The discussion regarding the temperature of burning U aside, I still go back
to the point that there are nano-particles of other metals in the diseased
tissues, and no DU.  My gut feeling is that you need a delivery system that
a bit more sophisticated than simple dissolution in the lung in order to
deliver the chemical dose close enough to a cell nucleus to do the damage
you describe.  According to the article, there's lead and mercury very close
to cell nuclei, and both of those are capable of doing what U does on a
chemical level; so we have a photo with two bad actors next to cell nuclei
in a tumor mass.  A third bad actor (U) is (perhaps surprisingly) not
present.  At a nano- level, that seems to me to be an injection site very
close to a sensitive structure with not a lot of protective layers in
between.

Another point I probably shoud have mentioned earlier is that, in New York,
Dr. Gatti presented a case of U being embedded in tissues, but the source
was from a foundry or ceramics manufacturer that used natural U.  So, she
has seen U in tissues, but did not see it in this sample of diseased tissues
from a Balkan war population.

Jim Barnes



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Salsman" <james at bovik.org>
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Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 6:04 PM
Subject: [ RadSafe ] DU and other sublimed metals; nano-pathology


> I think the depleted uranium "nanoparticle" theories are wrong.
>
> About 18% of the DU munitions' particulate combustion products
> are less than 0.1 microns wide (J. Glissmeyer et al., "Prototype
> Firing Range Air Cleaning System," 18th D.o.E. Nuclear Airborne
> Waste Management and Air Cleaning Conference, August 1984), and
> such particles are absorbed into the bloodstream in a matter of
> a few to a few dozen minutes, even if they are "insoluble":
>    http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/content/full/105/4/411
>
> However, the nanoparticle researchers claim that uranium burns
> at 3000 deg. Celsius, which is needed to explain the aerial
> mobilization of other metals that Gatti and others suggest.
> In fact, uranium burns in air at about 1400 deg. Celsius, and
> doesn't exceed 2700 deg. even in pure oxygen (L. Baker et al.,
> "The Ignition of Uranium," Journal of Nuclear Materials, vol.
> 20 (1966) pp. 22-38, at p. 30.)
>
> Nanoparticle theorists also ignore the chemical toxicity of
> uranium, repeating the quaint and wrong claim that uranium
> poses only a danger to the kidneys, and try to explain the
> deleterious effects solely in terms of radioactivity, which
> causes literally a million times less damage to DNA than
> the catalytic production of hydroxyl and other radicals --
>    http://www.bovik.org/du/Miller-DNA-damage.pdf
> -- which is the major mode of uranium chemical toxicity apart
> from the kidneys, affecting white blood cells, the reproductive
> system, the liver, and the brain.
>
> Sincerely,
> James Salsman
>
>
> Jim Barnes wrote:
>
> > Several months ago, I was forwarded a paper by Dr.
> > Antonietta Gatti, who is a researcher in the subject
> > of nano-pathology (the effect of sub-micron particles
> > on health).  In this particular work Dr. Gatti
> > described a technique whereby extremely tiny particles
> > of metals (and maybe other materials; I forget) can be
> > located and identified at the cellular level.  Because
> > the particles are extremely small, they don't behave
> > as larger particles do, and can quite readily migrate
> > throughout the body.  In this application, Dr. Gatti
> > was evaluating tumor tissues of individuals living in
> > the Balkans (and I believe some Italian soldiers) who
> > had purportedly been exposed to DU munitions....
> >
> > http://avigolfe.ifrance.com/studies.htm
> >....
>
>
>