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On Tue, 22 Aug 1995 radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu wrote:

> Contents:
> Re: Repair & DDREF (loesch@viper.eh.doe.gov (Robert M. Loesch))
> ?Linear Assumption (HWADE@aol.com)
> Re: Oracle (Gary Masters <gmasters@csn.net>)
> RE: NRC requirements on retention of film ("William G. Nabor" <wgnabor@uci.edu>)
> Re: ?Linear Assumption  ("Will Atkinson (B364 X4370)" <will.atkinson@aea.orgn.uk>)
> Elastomeric Coatings for Contamination Control (U) ("J. Wes Mouser" <wes.mouser@srs.gov>)
> Portable alpha spectroscopy ("RICHARD W. EDWARDS" <SHEA132@KGV2.bems.boeing.com>)
> Forwarded request ("John E. Aperans" <JAPERANS@wsmr-emh81.army.mil>)
> ?Bioassay ("K.L.Classic" <rvetter@mayo.edu>)
> Re: Portable alpha spectroscopy (Gary Masters <gmasters@csn.net>)
> Seeking Employment (Greg Sackett <gsackett@blkbox.COM>)
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 07:35:10 +0600
> From: loesch@viper.eh.doe.gov (Robert M. Loesch)
> Subject: Re: Repair & DDREF
> 
> On Mon, 21 Aug 95 15:53:34, Paul Frame wrote in reply:
> 
> >                                ... Of course, if you are a fan of
> >hormesis, you can argue that the repair mechanisms for some reason
> >are normally operating at a suboptimal rate and that radiation
> >stimulates repair. This might then be imagined to reduce the total
> >amount of unrepaired DNA damage, damage brought about by radiation
> >and everything else.
> >
> 
> I'm not an expert in this area, but I believe that there have been some
> animal experiments when a substantial dose, say 4 Sv, was delievered and
> the effects compared with another idential group receiving the same
> dose except that the dose was divided with a pre-sensitizing dose of about
> 50 mSv followed within 12-24 hours by the remaining dose.  I seem to
> remember that the first group displayed a statistically significant increased 
> response to the same overall dose as the second group.
> 
> Bob Loesch
> 
> Robert M. Loesch
> DOELAP Administrator
> U.S. Department of Energy
> Germantown, MD 20874
> (301) 903-4443
> ********************************************************
> Random number generation is too important a task
>             to  be left to chance!
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 08:53:17 -0400
> From: HWADE@aol.com
> Subject: ?Linear Assumption
> 
> The statement below recently appeared in criticism of Cohen, who has shown
> that the association between radon concentration and cancer is negative
> 
> 'The ecologic fallacy is "An error in interpreting associations between
> ecologic indices.  It is committed by mistakenly assuming that, because the
> majority of a group has a characteristic, the characteristic is related to a
> health state common in the group" (Slome C, Brogan DR, Eyres SJ, Lednar W.
>  Basic Epidemiological Methods and Biostatistics - A Workbook. Boston: Jones
> and Bartless, 1986, Chapter 9 & p. 306).  The problem with the ecological
> study design is that it doesn't have individual doses linked to individual
> people.'
> 
> If one believes that data subject to the "ecologic fallacy" should be
> disregarded, shouldn't  the Hiroshima and Nagasaki data, that some say
> support the Linear Assumption and ALARA, also be disregarded?  Aren't these
> data also subject to the "ecologic  fallacy?"
> 
> In fact, it appears that the Linear Assumption and ALARA are inherent victims
> of the "ecologic fallacy."
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 07:18:31 -0600
> From: Gary Masters <gmasters@csn.net>
> Subject: Re: Oracle
> 
> >
> >We recently did the find a database search.  Halliburton NUS is marketing a
> 
> >scaled down version of their power plant package for smaller users.  They
> >call it RDMS, and it is the only Oracle package I could find.  The modules
> >you probably need will run around $30K.  You can find an ad in the latest 
> >HP Journal.
> >
> >John J. Zummo, RSO
> >Genentech, Inc.
> >
> 
> We also recently went through the selection process to let a contract for
> an Oracle application to track things radiological. We settled on the Canberra
> HIS-20 package. It is modular so you should be able to pick and choose. We're
> getting the whole thing so I can't comment on module prices.
> 
> 
>  *********************************************************************
>  * Gary Masters, ALARA Program Coordinator, RFETS   gmasters@csn.net *
>  *         Get Totally Warped - Use a Mac as a Unix terminal!        *
>  *********************************************************************
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 06:57:09 CST  
> From: "William G. Nabor" <wgnabor@uci.edu>
> Subject: RE: NRC requirements on retention of film
> 
> Quite a few!  It may be possible to demonstrate that the badge was not being
> worn when the  exposure occurred (a clear, sharp image is unlikely on a
> moving body, for example).  If the subject disputes the reading, either
> denying that an exposure occurred, or claiming an overexposure not reported,
> then the film can be re-read.  Spot contamination as from a splash of
> radioactive liquid may be obvious from the pattern, again being determined
> after the subject disputes the reading.  Finally, it is better to have hard
> evidence in a court of law than a simple report.  A third party, for
> example, can be appointed by the court to examine the evidence again.
> 
>      Keep that film!
> 
> Bill Nabor
> UCI
> WGNABOR@UCI.EDU
> 
> 
> In Message Mon, 21 Aug 95 10:26:31 -0500,
>   "Gray, Joel" <joel_gray@msgw.mayo.edu> writes:
> 
> >Why do you think it is important to keep processed film?  What purpose does it
> >serve after the densities have been read?
> >
> >
> >     Joel
> >
> >  Joel E. Gray, Ph.D.
> >  Dept. of Diagnostic Radiology
> >  Mayo Clinic
> >  Rochester, MN 55905
> >
> >  Phone:   507-284-7374
> >  Fax:     507-284-8996
> >  e-mail:  gray.joel@mayo.edu 
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________________________________________
> >From: radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu on Mon, Aug 21, 1995 10:01 AM
> >Subject: NRC requirements on retention of film
> >To: Multiple recipients of list
> >
> >
> >We at DOE are involved in discussions with National Archives on the
> >recommended
> >retention times for processed film (not the recorded results from).  Would 
> >appreciate hearing from NRC licensees about any specifics incorporated into
> >licenses or technical specifications.  All I could find in Part 20 was in
> >20.2106(f) which requires maintaining records of individual monitoring
> >results until the Commission terminates the license requiring the record.
> >However, it doesn't specifically reference processed file.
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 15:31:01 +0100
> From: "Will Atkinson (B364 X4370)" <will.atkinson@aea.orgn.uk>
> Subject: Re: ?Linear Assumption 
> 
> HWADE writes:
> 
> >If one believes that data subject to the "ecologic fallacy" should be
> >disregarded, shouldn't  the Hiroshima and Nagasaki data, that some say
> >support the Linear Assumption and ALARA, also be disregarded?  Aren't these
> >data also subject to the "ecologic  fallacy?"
> 
> No.  The Bomb Survivor data compares individual reconstructed doses
> with individual health outcomes.  It would be an ecological study if,
> for example, it had compared the mortality rates of people within 1
> mile of the epicentre with people 1-2 miles away, 3-5 miles away etc,
> and assumed that any differences were caused by radiation dose.
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> Health Effects                               
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 10:31:00 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "J. Wes Mouser" <wes.mouser@srs.gov>
> Subject: Elastomeric Coatings for Contamination Control (U)
> 
> Greetings, RadSafers!
> 
> I was wondering if any of you had experience using a product known as 
> Polyshield SS-100 (tm), made by Specialty Products, Inc.  The technical 
> info. I have on it states that it is "a state of the art, high performance 
> sprayed plural component polyurea elastomer.  This system is based on 
> amine-terminated polyether resins, amine chain extenders and isocyanates.  
> It provides a flexible extremely tough monolithic membrance with excellent 
> water and chemical resistance."
> 
> Our Engineering group is obviously going to perform a technical evaluation 
> as to the use of this elastomer, but in addition to this evaluation, I 
> wanted to seek out personal experience.  The specific application would be 
> to coat concrete surfaces that have become contaminated with Pu-239 
> dissolved in acid (nitric, sulfamic, others).  The acid tends to leach out 
> of the concrete and attack sealant paint, causing it to flake off.  It is 
> hoped that the Polyshield SS-100 will correct this problem.
> 
> The tech. info. indicates that this material will probably work well in our 
> application, but there is no reference in the tech. info. with regards to 
> use on radioactive contaminated surfaces.  Have any of you used, or seen 
> this stuff used?
> 
> Wester
> wes.mouser@srs.gov
> Decon & Containment Engineer
> I don't speak for DOE, WSRC, or your neighbor.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 09:47:26 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "RICHARD W. EDWARDS" <SHEA132@KGV2.bems.boeing.com>
> Subject: Portable alpha spectroscopy
> 
>  We periodically need to identify unknown alpha emitters which are not readily
>  removeable from surfaces. Typically, this occurs when trying to identify the
>  isotope found on a circuit board which may have been subjected to a number of
>  processes involving different alpha emitting isotopes (i.e., neutron or
>  fission product irradiation from Cf-252 sources, dusting with air from
>  anti-static air nozzles containing Po-210, etc.). Alpha emission levels from
>  the surface of these components range between 0.3 and 35 per cm2 per minute.
> 
>  The only portable instrument we have seen that would give us this capability
>  is the new SAIC AP-2 alpha analyzer. Does anyone have any experience with this
>  or any other device that would permit alpha spectroscopy on fairly large
>  objects? (Disassembly of other people's hardware isn't always an option.) Or
>  can anyone suggest an alternate means for accomplishing this?We are concern ed
>  about reliability, ease of use, ability to calibrate, and general usefulness
>  of whatever instrument we get.
> 
>  Thanks,
>  Richard W. Edwards, Analyst          The Boeing Company
>  Phone: (206) 393-1999                P.O. Box 3707, M/S 6Y-38
>  Fax:   (206) 393-3060                Seattle, WA  98124-2207
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: 22 Aug 95 15:03:00 MST
> From: "John E. Aperans" <JAPERANS@wsmr-emh81.army.mil>
> Subject: Forwarded request
> 
> Greetings, RadSafers:
> 
> This was sent to me directly.  I am redirecting it throughout the
> RADSAFE net in hopes that these individuals may have a broader
> range of experience from which to draw inspiration.
> 
>           ***** EXTRACTED MESSAGE *****
> 
> Return-Path: <bscott@extro.ucc.su.oz.au>
> (snip)
> From: bscott@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (bscott)
> Subject: radiation, health and safety
> (snip again)
>                   We are a group of students from Sydney University, 
> currently reasearching an assingment on radiation for physics.
>                   We would appreciate any information that you may have 
> regarding your occupation and radiation. Any information concerning the 
> machine(s)\device(s), it's uses, levels of emission, safety precautions 
> taken and any other relavent information, will be very useful in our research. 
>        Thankyou for your time and effort,
>        
>                                         Belinda Scott
>                                         Susan Murray
>                                         Diane Tee
>                                         Chris Than
>                                         Jackie Wright
>                ***** END OF EXTRACTED MESSAGE *****
> 
>                    Thanx in advance for any help you can provide
>                    to these studei (isn't that the plural of
>                    student?)
>                                        John E. Aperans
>                                        japerans@wsmr-emh81.army.mil
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 16:20:27 -0500 (CDT)
> From: "K.L.Classic" <rvetter@mayo.edu>
> Subject: ?Bioassay
> 
>  To: IN14994 --POST
> 
>  From: K.L.Classic
>  Subject: ?Bioassay
> 
>  We would be very interested in the criteria medical or educational
>  institutions use to determine when a bioassay is required for those who work
>  with gamma emitting radionuclides, whether urinalysis or whole-body counting
>  is the method of choice, and the frequency of positive results.
> 
>  At our institution, anyone who works with more than 10 mCi of ANY gamma
>  emitting radionuclide in one calendar quarter must have a whole body count.
>  For routine bioassay we rarely have a positive result.
> 
>  Respond here or privately to:
> 
>      classic.kelly @mayo.edu
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 16:15:47 -0600
> From: Gary Masters <gmasters@csn.net>
> Subject: Re: Portable alpha spectroscopy
> 
> We have been using the AP-2 to identify isotopes on air samples with good
> results. I'm not sure how well it would work with an irregular surface such
> as a PC board.
> 
> What do you mean when you say "(Disassembly of other people's hardware isn't
> always an option.)"? An AP-2 won't detect contained isotopes.
> 
>  *********************************************************************
>  * Gary Masters, ALARA Program Coordinator, RFETS   gmasters@csn.net *
>  *         Get Totally Warped - Use a Mac as a Unix terminal!        *
>  *********************************************************************
> 
> > We periodically need to identify unknown alpha emitters which are not readily
> > removeable from surfaces. Typically, this occurs when trying to identify the
> > isotope found on a circuit board which may have been subjected to a number of
> > processes involving different alpha emitting isotopes (i.e., neutron or
> > fission product irradiation from Cf-252 sources, dusting with air from
> > anti-static air nozzles containing Po-210, etc.). Alpha emission levels from
> > the surface of these components range between 0.3 and 35 per cm2 per minute.
> >
> > The only portable instrument we have seen that would give us this capability
> > is the new SAIC AP-2 alpha analyzer. Does anyone have any experience with this
> > or any other device that would permit alpha spectroscopy on fairly large
> > objects? (Disassembly of other people's hardware isn't always an option.) Or
> > can anyone suggest an alternate means for accomplishing this?We are concern ed
> > about reliability, ease of use, ability to calibrate, and general usefulness
> > of whatever instrument we get.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Richard W. Edwards, Analyst          The Boeing Company
> > Phone: (206) 393-1999                P.O. Box 3707, M/S 6Y-38
> > Fax:   (206) 393-3060                Seattle, WA  98124-2207
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Tue, 22 Aug 95 21:03:13 -0500
> From: Greg Sackett <gsackett@blkbox.COM>
> Subject: Seeking Employment
> 
> 
> Greetings fellow radsafers!
> 
> I have recently aquired my M.S. in Health Physics from
> Texas A&M University and am currently seeking an entry
> level position in the field. 
> 
> I would greatly appreciate any aid that you could give me in this
> matter. I will gladly answer any questions you may have and 
> will be more than happy to supply a resume.
> 
> I would like to thank all the people who have previously
> tried to help me in this matter. Their efforts are not forgotten 
> and much appreciated. 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Greg Sackett
> ********************************************
> Greg Sackett                            
> Texas A&M University, Class of '93, '95
> Aspiring Health Physicist, Mountain Biker,
> and Guitar Player.
> (Better at some than others)
> 
> email: gsackett@blkbox.com
> ********************************************
>                                         
> 
> 
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