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Re: Re[2]: Uranium blamed for Gulf War Syndrome (BBC)



Col. Daxon:  Thank you for your well-presented information about this topic.
It seems that the many person years of data in the DOE oxide and metal cycle
(Fernald, Y-12, Ashtabula, Weldon Spring, and Paducah) could also be used.
Bill Goldsmith
wagoldsmith@mindspring.com

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From: col_eric_daxon@medcom2.smtplink.amedd.army.mil
<col_eric_daxon@medcom2.smtplink.amedd.army.mil>
To: Multiple recipients of list <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu>
Date: Friday, February 05, 1999 12:16
Subject: Re[2]: Uranium blamed for Gulf War Syndrome (BBC)


>
>     I feel compelled to respond to this issue and I apologize for the
>     length of the post, but I have been in the midst of this issue since
>     1992 and I believe that it is important for this community to be
>     informed.  You have the potential to help those of us working to help
>     current and future veterans.  It is my personal belief that the media
>     and activist focus on depleted uranium as a cause of the illnesses of
>     our veterans is hurting our veterans.
>
>     Unfortunately, so much of the controversy is being generated by the
>     press and special interest groups who use the logic described by Gus
>     Potter in his 4 Feb 99 post:
>
>        "As occurs often with these kind of issues, no cause->effect
>        logic is being used.  They are saying that since they were
>        exposed to high levels of DU and they are sick, the sickness
>        must be from the DU."
>
>     There is no dose relationship between the illnesses and depleted
>     uranium exposure.  People reporting the illnesses are from all parts
>     of the Theater of Operations.  They are not centered where depleted
>     uranium was used.  The other point not addressed is our continued
>     exposure to natural uranium.
>
>     The second point that is raised is a delineation of the symptoms
>     quoted by Laurie Taylor in her 4 Feb 99 post:
>
>         "I'm not an IH, but MSDS info and info in the Merck Index
>         concerning uranium (including uranium oxide and dioxide)
>         indicates that exposure can cause dermatitis, eye irritation,
>         renal damage, necrotic arterial lesions."
>
>     Lung damage is often quoted in the activist literature and in the
>     press.  Unfortunately these symptoms have a wide variety of causes and
>     if you read the literature the MSDS used to generate the information
>     presented, a lot of the symptoms are from exposure to UF6 (dermatitis,
>     and reported incidence of lung damage) and forms of uranium other than
>     the oxides formed when a depleted uranium round strikes a target or
>     burns.
>
>     The point that is never discussed in the press or by the activist
>     groups is the relationship between the symptom and the amount that
>     must be internalized to cause the illness.  For each of the symptoms
>     listed in the MSDS large (in excess of standards) exposures are
>     required.  As discussed at the MidYear and correctly quoted by Doug
>     Minnema, the highest exposure anticipated was:
>
>         "Their estimate is less than 5 mSv (0.5 rem) CEDE, based
>         upon 15 minute exposures, and inhalation of 22 mg insoluble
>         DU oxide and 4 mg soluble DU oxide, and secondary ingestion
>         of 13.3 mg insoluble DU oxide and 2.7 mg soluble DU oxide."
>
>     The point I need to emphasize is that this is a worst-case estimate of
>     the dose from inhalation.  This is the dose from inhalation to
>     personnel inside armored vehicles at the time the vehicles were struck
>     by depleted uranium munitions.  All of our other measurements
>     (airborne concentrations around the vehicle during the strike, soil
>     concentrations) indicate levels that are well below regulatory
>     standards.
>
>     Second, the potential health and environmental impacts of the use of
>     depleted uranium has been reviewed by several DOD and National Academy
>     of Sciences panels starting in the mid-seventies.  Testing to
>     determine airborne concentrations from fires and strikes has been
>     ongoing since then also.  This testing formed the basis for the does
>     estimates made.
>
>     The VA and DOD have done measurements and are still doing measurements
>     on uranium levels in urine.  Some of the veterans have also gone
>     through whole-body counting.  The only positive results were for
>     personnel with retained embedded depleted uranium fragments.  As some
>     of you might be aware, the press is reporting that "positive results"
>     were obtained by a veterans group conducting independent assessments
>     of veterans.  To date, no one working the issue has seen the data nor
>     do we know which veterans were tested.  If the veterans had retained
>     depleted uranium fragments, it is not surprising that the results are
>     positive.
>
>     These measurements are a part of the VA/DOD follow-up program for
>     soldiers with embedded depleted uranium fragments that were not
>     surgically removable.  There is a significant animal research effort
>     (DOD and non-DOD) looking at the health effects of embedded depleted
>     uranium.  The results are being published in the open, peer-reviewed
>     literature.
>
>     Kim Merrit in her 4 Feb 99 post makes a very important point when she
>     wrote:
>
>          "As for the introduction of Uranium into the search for
>          the cause; I would look no farther than the troops
>          themselves.  Troops are not HP's or IH's and know little
>          more about their DU rounds than that they are radioactive
>          and are good for killing the enemy."
>
>     As noted in a 1993 GAO report on issue, soldier concern was raised
>     because the Army did not have a training program to educate all
>     soldiers who would come in contact with depleted uranium on the
>     battlefield.  The soldier needed to know what the hazards were and,
>     more importantly, WERE NOT.  This has been fixed.
>
>     My personal concern is helping our veterans.  The best way we can do
>     that is by using good sound science and focusing our attention on
>     finding the cause.  The potential for DU causing the illnesses of our
>     veterans has been reviewed by a long list of independent scientific
>     panels and all conclude that it was very unlikely for two very
>     important reasons - the symptomatolgy does not match, the doses are
>     too small.
>
>     These opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect the
>     opinions of the Army.
>
>
>     COL Eric G. Daxon, CHP, PhD
>     egdaxon@juno.com
>
>
>______________________________ Reply Separator
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>Subject: Re: Uranium blamed for Gulf War Syndrome  (BBC)
>Author:  <radsafe@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu > at internet-mail
>Date:    2/4/99 5:56 PM
>
>
>In a message dated 2/4/1999 2:27:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>rkathren@tricity.WSU.edu writes:
>
><< The so-called Gulf War
> Syndrome has not been previously observed in other human populations or
> individuals with either acute or chronic exposures to uranium; similarly I
> believe that all studies to date, including a Congressional investigation,
> have shown no correlation between depleted uranium and the so-called Gulf
> War Syndrome. >>
>
>There is a political aspect to the controversy about the Gulf War Syndrome
>being caused by uranium.  This claim apparently came originally from fringe
>groups who are extremely distrustful of the government and who are active
in
>various somewhat radical causes.  Ramsey Clark and Helen Caldicott are two
>names that come to mind in this connection.
>
>
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