FW: [ RadSafe ] Re: Fw: Someone just responded to your comment

[Robert D Gallagher]

99% of the measurements made relative to exposures are made because a permit
or regulation requires them to be made. Compliance in most cases is out of
fear not need. And the bulk of the information is never looked at by
regulatory and certainly not management. As long as the regulators don't
squawk, management coud care less

Bob Gallagher
NSSI


-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl]On Behalf
Of Dimiter Popoff
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 2:36 PM
To: radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: Re: FW: [ RadSafe ] Re: Fw: Someone just responded to your comment


Don,

>  I can do the surveys in less than 60 seconds per unit per year. I'm sure
>  the total cost of a Primalert system to do the same thing would never be
>  recovered.

Without entering the debate below, I would say that your above comment
is valid in a much broader sense.

Much of the spectrometry equipment which is installed is either not used or
has
a disposable application (i.e. nobody outside those directly getting some
money
out of the particular measurements and equipment really needs the
measurement
results). This is of course known by the decision makers (many of whom are
supposed to make "science") and the technical parameters of what they
decide for becomes irrelevant as long as there is no risk someone will go
after them because of a particular decision. I have had numerous examples
of bosses working really hard to avoid having seen equipment which those
who will use it recommend (the best was a German professor who entered
the room in the middle of my demo and seeing I was still there and was
obviously
impressing the guys turned on his heels and went out like in a cartoon...).
 I am not sure whether there are any other high-end spectrometry
manufacturers
but me who manage to live without indirect subsidies of the kind described
above
(and if you think with all that technology I posess I have an easy ride
surviving,
think again...), but I am pretty sure many people in the field are not aware
of all the elbowing taking place about something which should be just
a deal (the fact that I do not like - and do not - participate in elbowing
matches
does cost me a lot).

Dimiter


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>  -------Original Message-------
>  From: Mercado, Don <don.mercado at lmco.com>
>  Subject: FW: [ RadSafe ] Re: Fw: Someone just responded to your comment
>  Sent: Sep 08 '05 21:40
>
>
>  John Jacobus wrote:
>
>  >Don,
>  >I do not have a lot of time to argue with you on this
>  >list server.
>
>  You seem to spend a lot of time here for someone who doesn't have a lot
>  of time.
>
>  >My undergraduate training was in
>  >engineering.  ALARA is good engineering practices.
>  >That is what I focus on, not LNT.
>
>  Ah. No economics training. I get it now. My sister has engineering
>  degrees from U of M and she's the same way.
>
>  >I could save lots
>  >of doses by doing things differently, but I am not
>  >rich like you.  I go for the cheap fixes.
>
>  So you're not that concerned with giving employees the extra dose. You
>  don't consider LNT real. That's good. We're on the same side. I'm not
>  sure where you get the idea that the nuke plants or I are rich, or why
>  you even throw that red herring in there, but your info is faulty. Its
>  primarily that money is short supply that that I *always* consider it in
>  the LNT/cost/benefit analysis. How many times did I mention costs in my
>  examples? Your suggestions of adding costly systems and electronics
>  (engineering solutions) leads me to think *YOU* are the rich one. "Money
>  is no object" seems to be your theme song.
>
>  >I still say the Primalert would be a money saving
>  >idea.
>
>  Are you on their payroll? Simply suggesting that I install one
>  reinforces my thoughts that YOU are rich, and installing unnecessary
>  equipment is your paradigm and the solution instead of doing real,
>  hands-on, money saving work.
>
>  >How much does it cost you in time to do the
>  >same would a remote radiations sensor save?
>
>  I can do the surveys in less than 60 seconds per unit per year. I'm sure
>  the total cost of a Primalert system to do the same thing would never be
>  recovered.
>
>  >Why are
>  >you doing the work?  You like hanging around the
>  >equipment?
>
>  Its what I get paid to do. Real work. What do you do? Comfy in that
>  ivory tower?
>
>  >I have not seen in any of your activities where you
>  >consider the LNT.
>
>  Blinders are wonderful things, aren't they? Another engineering
>  solution.
>
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