[ RadSafe ] In utero dose

[Conklin, Al (DOH)]

You have to remember that ALARA has the word "reasonable" in it. It is
not a standard to "keep occupational workers well away from any risk at
all...". IT simply means that if the dose can be avoided, it should be.
Threatening the life of a mother and child rather than give them a 10
Rad dose would not be reasonable, so, in my opinion, would not be ALARA.


-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On
Behalf Of jjcohen at prodigy.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 8:25 PM
To: Michael Bohan; radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] In utero dose

Michael,
    I am an Industrial Hygienist (CIH), and I resent your attempt to pin
the ALARA nonsense on  Industrial Hygienists. ALARA is strictly a Health
Physics invention, which IMHO was designed to justify the application of
absurdly restrictive controls to operations involving ionizing
radiation.
Jerry Cohen


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Bohan" <mike.bohan at yale.edu>
To: <radsafe at radlab.nl>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 3:13 PM
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] In utero dose


> Hello Floyd and RadSafer's:
>
> In medicine, the conservative approach (of ALARA for radiation) is
> usually NOT advisable.  ALARA is specifically an industrial hygiene
> practice that has been bastardized by some to apply to realms it was
> never intended for.
>
> If there is a pregnant mother, who's been in a serious car accident,
> the risk of having an undiagnosed condition that results in immediate
> death to the mother and/or fetus, is real.   The theoretical risk of
> even a 10 rad dose to her and the fetus are a very small concern in
> comparison.  Even with a dose of 10 rad, the theoretical risk to the
> fetus is about 1 in a thousand, and it might only be expressed many
> years later.  However, the mortality of mothers and fetuses from
> serious car accidents and undiagnosed trauma, is immediate and
probably
> would lead to 10's if not 100's of deaths/thousand, if modern
> diagnostic tests are withheld due to radiophobia.  It should be
> remembered that ALARA is meant to keep occupational workers well away
> from any risk at all, even theoretical ones.  When reality strikes, we
> need to use a different set of standards.
>
> ALARA does have a place in medicine.  Medical Physicists spend a lot
of
> time and energy making sure that all hospital equipment provides the
> best diagnostic information for the smallest necessary dose.
However,
> ALARA should never be used to deny a patient a necessary diagnostic
> procedure.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike Bohan, RSO
> Yale-New Haven Hospital
> Radiological Physics
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> On Apr 18, 2006, at 2:32 PM, radsafe-request at radlab.nl wrote:
>
> > I realize this. But taking the conservative approach is always
> > advisable. Hence ALARA. The lack of set limits is an issue which
should
> > be addressed. We cannot continue to let the medical world
self-police.
> > They have proven time and time again that they are prone to leaning
to
> > one extreme or the other. The limit should mirror occupational dose
> > except, of course in the case of limits hindering treatment. All of
> > this
> > falls into the principals of ALARA in one way or another.
>
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