[ RadSafe ] Re:"State of Fear"
Robert Yoss
ryoss at mcw.edu
Mon Feb 20 12:09:46 CST 2006
Last night on 60 Minutes there was a segment on Global Warming. No
editorial comments, just another view.
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?channel=60Sunday&CM
P=KNC-2005googlecampaign
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From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On Behalf
Of Dimiter Popoff
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 9:48 AM
To: John R Johnson; radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Re:"State of Fear"
John,
I have heard these concerns as well - and I am no climate expert, either.
However, looking at some temperature map - like, say,
http://www.uni-koeln.de/math-nat-fak/geomet/meteo/winfos/TTeuropa.gif ,
I see only negative temperatures... (now it is gone, until a few days or may
be
weeks ago ther was a station in the middle of Greenland consistenly
reporting
in the range -30 to -50 C).
It can probably be argued that ocean currents are warming/melting the
northern icecap from underneath, but this being inconsistent with the
climate
changes I can observe from the weather reports (anyone in the UK who has
noticed the Gulf stream getting hotter?), I would say there is a long
way to go before we know whether there is anything like global
warming indeed and a longer way before we understand what might have
caused it. Recently there was a report in the BBC news that said the
western (or was it the northern?) hemisphere was at its warmest point
for 1200 years or so. Oops, they had taken whole 14 points into account
to say that - how they picked them and what did they pick I do
not know, but 14 points for a hemisphere probably is as low a number
as it sounds.
Having said all that, I realise I may be wrong after all. I just say it
will
take a lot of evidence to make me buy into the global warming theory,
so far I have heard only assurances and global media consensus that
there is global warming.
Dimiter
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> -------Original Message-------
> From: John R Johnson <idias at interchange.ubc.ca>
> Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Re:"State of Fear"
> Sent: Feb 20 '06 17:16
>
> Dimiter
>
> This is not my area of expertise, but why are the global "ice caps"
melting
> if its not "global warming.
>
> I've heard of concerns that the polar bears in the Canadian artic are
> suffering because their traditional breeding grounds are melting!
>
> John
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl]On
Behalf
> Of Dimiter Popoff
> Sent: February 20, 2006 7:08 AM
> To: radsafe at radlab.nl
> Subject: [ RadSafe ] Re:"State of Fear"
>
>
> Actually the temperature data I have access to indicates cooling
> rather than warming. 3 out of last 4 years we had no summer
> at all - temperatures were way lower than average, this winter
> we had deeply buried waterpipes freeze for the first time in their
> 20 years existance etc...
> I really do not buy into all the global warming talk, however aggressive
> the media are about it. Whether it is just a mistake or a lie
> or a mixture of both I do not know, what I do know is that
> my winter energy consumption is rising measurably while
> the thermostat here keeps the temperature with about a 0.1 C
> precision year after year... whatever the CO2 concentration may
> have been.
>
> Dimiter
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>
> > -------Original Message-------
> > From: Maury Siskel <maurysis at ev1.net>
> > Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] "State of Fear"
> > Sent: Feb 20 '06 06:39
> >
> > Yes, the board is closed to any fresh contributions, but one can skim
> > through the thread contributions that were stimulated closer to the
time
> > the book was released. And as Andy has suggested, there is little, to
> > the best of my knowledge, that alleviates the available conflicting
data.
> >
> > My anecdotal, subjective, non-agnostic, opinionated beliefs are struck
> > by the presumption that puny human animals might have the power to so
> > profoundly alter the planetary climate. And I've seen no advocate of
> > anthropogenic change willing to suggest that we might change the
outcome
> > with even the most stringent regulations. I believe sincerely that
the
> > evidence for alternatives to LNT is stronger.
> >
> > And the beat goes on ....
> > Cheers,
> > Maury&Dog
> > _______
> > For centuries, people believed the moon was made of green cheese. Then
> > the astronauts found that the moon is really a big hard rock. That's
> > what happens to cheese when you leave it out.
> > ======================
> > Cehn at aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > Maury;
> > >
> > > Thanks, but it looks like the State of Fear board is closed.
> > >
> > > --JC
> > >
> > > In a message dated 2/19/2006 7:16:49 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > > maurysis at ev1.net writes:
> > >
> > > For those interested, here is a link to the Crichton message
board
> > > which
> > > has archived extensive discussion of his book ...
> > > http://www.michaelcrichton.net/messageboard.html
> > > Best regards,
> > > Maury&DFog (maurysis at ev1.net)
> > >
> > > ==============
> > > Cehn at aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >Don't know if there's a thread on the book "State of Fear", but
> > > its a book
> > > >worth reading. THe author has spoken out about the poor media
> > > coverage of
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
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