[ RadSafe ] Re:"State of Fear"

Mon Feb 20 15:30:47 CST 2006

Cheers John :)

Don't believe everything that you hear :)

I do understand that the data record (recorded temperatures) is far too
short to draw any reasonable conclusions in this regard. I also know
that many "tree huggers" out there cherry pick the limited data to
advance their own causes. Ditto for the pro nukes who want to see more
CANDU's.

However, governments and businesses are taking these trends very
seriously because it affects their bottom line. Even president Bush has
changed his "opinion" recently in the wake of Katrina. 

The activity seen in this regard provides support for the existence of a
warming trend - whatever its cause. Again, the trend may be but a minor
blip on the historical record of the Earth, one cannot discount this
possibility, at least not solely based solely on weather data. There is
much room for debate

Grant

p.s. Nordion's MAPLE reactors are not yet in service. We currently rely
on CRL's NRU reactor, as in the past. Our thanks to you CRL people out
there.

-----Original Message-----
From: John R Johnson [mailto:idias at interchange.ubc.ca] 
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 4:12 PM
To: NIXON, Grant; howard long; Dimiter Popoff; radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Re:"State of Fear"

Grant and others

I have heard that the current weather "resembles" what existed several
centuries ago.

And its not the result of radioisotope emission from Nordian's CRL
reactor:)

John; an ex CRL'er

-----Original Message-----
From: NIXON, Grant [mailto:Grant.NIXON at mdsinc.com]
Sent: February 20, 2006 1:02 PM
To: howard long; John R Johnson; Dimiter Popoff; radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Re:"State of Fear"

The majority consensus in the scientific establishment is that global
warming is the current physical trend, irrespective the causes.
Moreover, the weather is becoming decidedly more extreme/volatile. The
evidence that this conforms to a majority viewpoint can be seen almost
everywhere. Here is a small sampler:

(1) In Ottawa, the Winterlude Triathlon was changed to a duathlon this
year on account of a warm spell that rendered ice conditions
"water-like". This traditional February event, the "Winterlude" has been
pushed closer and closer to January over the years because of the
February warm spells. Moreover, the National Capital Commission in
Ottawa is strategically planning for warmer winters and earlier summers.
They are planning more indoor activities for the Winterlude and are
considering using later-blooming varieties of tulips for the Tulip
Festival. There is talk that cross-country skiing will no longer be
possible regionally in as little as 50 years.

(2) Various departments in the Canadian government have been actively
tracking changes to the ice conditions in Canada's North-West Passage
for quite some time. There is mounting evidence that the warming trend,
along with its effects on the sea ice, will open-up the area to more
extensive shipping in the very near future.

(3) One of the fastest growing fields is in the area of extreme value
analysis, particularly as it pertains to natural disasters. Insurance
companies are investing heavily in this area of research (do a quick
look-up on Google).

(4) My natural gas heating bills, despite the ever increasing cost,
indicate that our winters are getting warmer. Far more quantitative
indications can be gleaned from accessing our government's own weather
databases, as they cover decades of data.

There are many examples all around that the global warming trend is fact
and not conjecture. However, because the underlying causes are still a
matter for debate, I remain open-minded to the possibility that the
trend may cease or reverse itself without warning. However, I am not
optimistic in this regard.

Grant
_____________________
Grant I. Nixon, Ph.D.
Radiation Physicist
MDS Nordion

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On
Behalf Of howard long
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:48 AM
To: John R Johnson; Dimiter Popoff; radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: [ RadSafe ] Re:"State of Fear"

Greenland's interior ice thickens (new Norwegian study), as coast
glaciers melt,
  and it is as record cold in the USA now as it was record hot a couple
of weeks ago,
  so SELECTION explains spotty ice cap melting, John.

  500 new power reactors are urgently needed for USA energy
independence,
  as is pushed this week by the President (with Health Savings Accounts
dear to my heart), both obscured by media "gotcha" of a trivial accident
and slight of its waning thought-control.

  Reinforce reactor buillding momentum, HPs! Even assimilates of this
global government warm front are for now with you, to reduce CO2.
  Howard Long

John R Johnson <idias at interchange.ubc.ca> wrote:
  Dimiter

This is not my area of expertise, but why are the global "ice caps"
melting
if its not "global warming.

I've heard of concerns that the polar bears in the Canadian artic are
suffering because their traditional breeding grounds are melting!

John
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-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl]On
Behalf
Of Dimiter Popoff
Sent: February 20, 2006 7:08 AM
To: radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: [ RadSafe ] Re:"State of Fear"

Actually the temperature data I have access to indicates cooling
rather than warming. 3 out of last 4 years we had no summer
at all - temperatures were way lower than average, this winter
we had deeply buried waterpipes freeze for the first time in their
20 years existance etc...
I really do not buy into all the global warming talk, however aggressive
the media are about it. Whether it is just a mistake or a lie
or a mixture of both I do not know, what I do know is that
my winter energy consumption is rising measurably while
the thermostat here keeps the temperature with about a 0.1 C
precision year after year... whatever the CO2 concentration may
have been.

Dimiter

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> -------Original Message-------
> From: Maury Siskel
> Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] "State of Fear"
> Sent: Feb 20 '06 06:39
>
> Yes, the board is closed to any fresh contributions, but one can skim
> through the thread contributions that were stimulated closer to the
time
> the book was released. And as Andy has suggested, there is little, to
> the best of my knowledge, that alleviates the available conflicting
data.
>
> My anecdotal, subjective, non-agnostic, opinionated beliefs are struck
> by the presumption that puny human animals might have the power to so
> profoundly alter the planetary climate. And I've seen no advocate of
> anthropogenic change willing to suggest that we might change the
outcome
> with even the most stringent regulations. I believe sincerely that the
> evidence for alternatives to LNT is stronger.
>
> And the beat goes on ....
> Cheers,
> Maury&Dog
> _______
> For centuries, people believed the moon was made of green cheese. Then
> the astronauts found that the moon is really a big hard rock. That's
> what happens to cheese when you leave it out.
> ======================
> Cehn at aol.com wrote:
>
> > Maury;
> >
> > Thanks, but it looks like the State of Fear board is closed.
> >
> > --JC
> >
> > In a message dated 2/19/2006 7:16:49 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > maurysis at ev1.net writes:
> >
> > For those interested, here is a link to the Crichton message board
> > which
> > has archived extensive discussion of his book ...
> > http://www.michaelcrichton.net/messageboard.html
> > Best regards,
> > Maury&DFog (maurysis at ev1.net)
> >
> > ==============
> > Cehn at aol.com wrote:
> >
> > >Don't know if there's a thread on the book "State of Fear", but
> > its a book
> > >worth reading. THe author has spoken out about the poor media
> > coverage of
> > >
> > >
> > ------------ snipped -----------
> >
> >
>
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