AW: [ RadSafe ] Re: Lung cancer reduction

Tue Jun 27 04:19:26 CDT 2006

Dear colleague,

thank you for this pointer. Of course, it does not address the point raised by John Jacobus, who denied that there might be evidence to the contrary - which even is acknowledged as such by the ICRP. 

Can you provide a pdf copy of your paper?

Thank you in advance, Rainer

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Von: Jan Skowronek [mailto:jskowronek at ietu.katowice.pl]
Gesendet: Di 27.06.2006 09:54
An: Facius, Rainer; crispy_bird at yahoo.com; radsafe at radlab.nl
Betreff: RE: [ RadSafe ] Re: Lung cancer reduction

P.T. Colleagues,

See: Skowronek J., Zemla B. - Epidemiology of lung and larynx cancers in
coal mines in Upper Silesia - preliminary results. Health Physics, September
2003, Volume 85, no 3.
Increased exposure to radon progeny (but still on the level of low doses -
< some mSv/y)) in coal mines increases risk of lung and larynx cancer.

dr hab. inz. Jan SKOWRONEK
Instytut Ekologii Terenów Uprzemyslowionych
Institute for Ecology of Industrial Areas
ul. Kossutha 6
40-844 Katowice/Poland
tel.: (+48-32) 2540164
fax: (+48-32) 2541717
e-mail: jskowronek at ietu.katowice.pl

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl]On Behalf
Of Rainer.Facius at dlr.de
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 1:54 PM
To: crispy_bird at yahoo.com; radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: AW: [ RadSafe ] Re: Lung cancer reduction

"There is no evidence that increased exposures to radiation have done so
[reduced incidence of lung cancer]."

Dear John:

Of course, whether or not your above statement holds, depends somewhat on
what you consider "evidence". Regarding lung cancer, even the ICRP concedes
that the [LNT] atomic bomb survivor risk estimates do NOT fit into the
picture outlined by epidemiological data from truly chronic low dose rate
exposures:

"For cancers at some sites there is reasonable compatibility between the
data from LSS and those from others sources. However it is recognised by the
Commission that for a number of sites, e.g., lung, there are significant
differences."

quoted from: 2005 RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMISSION ON
RADIOLOGICAL PROTECTION. Draft for consultation. §(104) p. 30 and once more
in annex A, (A13) p. 67)

I attach a PDF file with 6 diagrams showing such significant differences in
data from some of such 'opposing' studies.(If the attachment does not pass
the moderator, I will provide it upon request)

Unless you can provide reasons for ignoring these findings, my
interpretation of these data falsifies your above statement.

Kind regards, Rainer

Sources for the diagrams in the attachment:

Bogen K T.
Mechanistic model predicts a U-shaped relation of radon exposure to lung
cancer risk reflected in combined occupational and US residential data.
Human and Experimental Toxicology 17(1998)691-696

Fleck C M, Schöllnberger H, Kottbauer M M, Dockal T, Prüfert U
Modeling radioprotective mechanisms in the dose effect relation at low doses
and low
dose rates of ionizing radiation.
Mathematical Biosciences 155(1999)13-44
(Fleck et al. and also Bogen successfully model different sophisticated
cellular models (sophisticated in contrast to the petty LNT postulate) to
own data or to data from Cohen B L, Test of the linear-no threshold theory
of radiation carcinogenesis for inhaled radon decay products. Health Physics
68#2(1995)157-174)

Cardis E, Gilbert E S, Carpenter L, Howe G, Kato I, Armstrong B K, Beral V,
Cowper G, Douglas A, Fix J, Fry S A, Kaldor J, Lavé C, Salmon L, Smith P G,
Voelz G L, Wiggs L D.
Effects of low doses and dose rates of external ionizing radiation: Cancer
mortality among nuclear industry workers in three countries.
Radiation Research 142(1995)117-132

Rossi H H, Zaider M
Radiogenic lung cancer: the effects of low linear energy transfer (LET)
radiation.
Radiation and Environmental Biophysics 36(1997)85-88

Tokarskaya Z B, Okladnikova N D, Belyaeva T D, Drozhko E G.
Multifactorial analysis of lung cancer dose-response relationships for
workers at the Mayak nuclear enterprise.
Health Physics 73#6(1997)899-905

Dr. Rainer Facius
German Aerospace Center
Institute of Aerospace Medicine
Linder Hoehe
51147 Koeln
GERMANY
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] Im Auftrag
von John Jacobus
Gesendet: Sonntag, 25. Juni 2006 19:31
An: radsafe
Betreff: [ RadSafe ] Re: Lung cancer reduction

Dr. Luan,
If you have serious concerns about the high incidents of lung cancers, I
would think that you would foster the idea the people should stop smoking.
Studies have shown the individual who stop smoking have reduced incidents in
lung cancer.  There is no evidence that increased exposures to radiation
have done so.

Also, as WE discussed several years ago, your statements on reduction of
cancers in Taiwanese apartment dwellers was at best an incompete report.
At worst, badly flawed.  There has been no further study of these people, as
opposed to the Atomic Bomb survivors.  In your work was of limited scope.

Maybe this is why many professional radiation scientist consider this to be
a "wild story."