[ RadSafe ] Re: Vitamin R : Radiation induced immune response DETERS spread of cancer

[John Jacobus]

Dr. Long,
These are not my opinions, but those of others who are
scientist and professionals in epidemiology.  If I
express a personal opinion, I try to make that clear
in my message.  I suggest you do the same.

Dr. Cameron's NSWS "analysis" was challenged and
essentially dismissed by those who evaluate such
studies.  You really need to accept that fact.  Your
wishing it was true does not change the facts.

The "bureaucrats" in Taiwan are not mine.  Maybe the
DDP should finance the study.  They seem to have
enough funds to have meetings.  

If you have anything constructive to add, please
contact me directly.  I am sure that many on this list
are tired of our discussion.

--- howard long <hflong at pacbell.net> wrote:

> WRONG, John, is your opinion of the huge, Nuclear
> Shipyard Workers Study.
>   It is all the more believable in Cameron's
> analysis,
>    since it was designed to prove the opposite of
> what it did with a one-tail test (insofar as
> epidemiology can ever prove anything). Much federal
> money and huge numbers with great attention to avoid
> healthy worker effect made Cameron's analysis in,
> "Is Radiation an Essential Trace Energy?"  very
> credible to Pollycove in his, "The biologic and
> Epidemiologic Foundation of Radiation Hormesis".
> 
>   Go to                 rad-sci-l at WPI.EDU       
> rad_sci_health at yahoogroups.com
>    
>   for better information than you keep in your dusty
> file.
>   Your bureaucratic job protectors in Taiwan
> obstruct Chen and Luan from getting more data than
> presented in the J Assoc Am Physicians and Surgeons
> Spring, 2004, but that is as impressive as the first
> hundred cures with penicillin, and far more than
> Snow's diarrhea deaths stopping when he took away
> the pump handle to Thames sewage.
>    
>   Come to our DDP meetings and question Rockwell,
> Cohen Luckey, Pollycove and the most credible of
> scientists about the most recent studies.
>    
>   Howard Long
> 
> John Jacobus <crispy_bird at yahoo.com> wrote:
>   Dr. Long,
> As noted many times, the Naval Shipyard Workers
> Study
> is not a good study. The study of Taiwan study was
> just the cherry-picking of data with no reliable
> epidemiological study performed. I will leave Dr.
> Cohen to comment on the results of his work.
> 
> Basing your conclusions on bad science gives invalid
> results. But you know that, and just refuse to
> understand the science. Try referencing move recent,
> reliable studies. 
> 
> --- howard long wrote:
> 
> > Prof Cohen's mind-boggling numbers (70% of USA
> > population), enabling error bars used as points
> (to
> > plot county lung cancer rates against 1/4
> > picoCurie/l radon levels)
> > is historic in its "discrepancy" with any linear
> > theory of radiation damage. Money spent for ALARA
> > with radon is harmful. Cohen's work clearly shows
> > more lung cancer where less radon, unchanged even
> > after 100+ confounders calculated.
> > 
> > I believe that, with the Taiwan Apt and NSWS data,
> > it also shows a cancer- causing and
> life-shortening
> > deficiency of radiation for most of the USA
> > population and a need for public health action to
> > increase "Vitamin R", the "essential trace energy"
> 
> > of Cameron. It is better proven than beri-beri
> > neuritis and heart failure was shown to be related
> > to wheat whitening. As with Vitamin B1, thiamine,
> > public health should replace the missing nutrient,
> > perhaps with thorium sand or uranium ore in homes.
> 
> > 
> > Howard Long MD MPH 
> > 
> > "Bernard L. Cohen" wrote:
> > If it is practical to increase one's exposure by
> > about 5 mrem per year, 
> > would someone tell me how to do it?
> > I did turn off my radon reduction system, but I
> > refer here to whole body 
> > radiation.
> > 
> > John Jacobus wrote:
> > 
> > >Syd,
> > >How so? If individuals make a claim of risk or
> > >benefits, one would ask if they follow their own
> > >advice. According to Jim Muckerheide he
> challenged
> > >the committee that reported on the risks of radon
> > in
> > >the home if the members themselves had radon
> > testing
> > >done in their homes. 
> > >
> > >Personally, I have not worried about my exposures
> > to
> > >low doses of ionining radiaton. I fact, I turned
> in
> > my
> > >doimeter several years ago as my exposures never
> > >exceeded 100 mrem in a year. Actually, I think
> that
> > >the total was not even 100 mrem in five years.
> > >
> > >You may not like my position or comments, but how
> > is
> > >the question inappropriate? If you think
> radiation
> > >exposure is beneficial, what are you doing to
> > improve
> > >your health?
> > >
> > >--- "Syd H. Levine" wrote:
> > >
> > > 2. If radiation is so beneficial, what have Drs.
> > >>>Pollycove and Feinendigan done to enhance their
> > >>>radiation exposures? Have they moved to areas
> > >>where there is more background radiation?
> > >>> >>>
> > >>Employing such a classic logical fallacy should
> be
> > >>beneath you John. I have 
> > >>seen you do this several times, and it is
> > revealing
> > >>as to the quality of 
> > >>your argumentation.
> > >>
> > >>Syd H. Levine
> > >>AnaLog Services, Inc.
> > >>Phone: 270-276-5671
> > >>Telefax: 270-276-5588
> > >>E-mail: analog at logwell.com
> > >>URL: www.logwell.com
> > 
> 
> 
> +++++++++++++++++++
> May we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal
> subversion. 
> Dwight D. Eisenhower 
> 
> -- John
> John Jacobus, MS
> Certified Health Physicist
> e-mail: crispy_bird at yahoo.com
> 
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+++++++++++++++++++
May we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. 
Dwight D. Eisenhower  

-- John
John Jacobus, MS
Certified Health Physicist
e-mail:  crispy_bird at yahoo.com

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