[ RadSafe ] RE: birth defects in Basrah
sjd at swcp.com
Wed Apr 18 20:14:08 CDT 2007
The only difference I know of is that DU is *less* radioactive
than U-Nat. The reason the U-Nat studies don't show the effects some are
attributing to DU is probably that DU is not causing those
effects. Salsman and I have been around and around on this. As I keep
telling him, those few papers he keeps dragging out are replete with
qualifiers about the need for more studies, or for verification of
self-reported incidents of birth defects. (There are other qualifiers too.)
At 05:59 PM 4/18/07 -0700, John R Johnson wrote:
>Steven and other Rasdsaers
>I must ask the question again!
>What is the difference between DU and U-Nat? We have many U-Nat studies
>that don't show the effects that some are attributing to DU.
>John R Johnson, PhD
>CEO, IDIAS, Inc.
>Vancouver, B. C.
>idias at interchange.ubc.ca
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Dapra" <sjd at swcp.com>
>To: "radsafe" <radsafe at radlab.nl>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 5:49 PM
>Subject: Re: [ RadSafe ] RE: birth defects in Basrah
>> Thank you for posting this, John. Good questions.
>> I don't see how birth defects could only have shown up in
>> Basrah, as Salsman claims. Or at least he says (below) they were only
>> reported in the vicinity. His original question (RADSAFE, Apr. 3)
>> said: "Are there any alternative hypotheses for the birth defect
>> increases in Basrah, U.S., and U.K. troops which have not been ruled out?"
>> Wasn't DU used in more places than around Basrah? Even it had
>> only been used there, the anti-DU partisans seem to be saying the
>> windblown DU has spread all over Iraq.
>> My guess is that the reason someone keeps posting stuff about
>> folate is that folate appears to be effective in decreasing birth
>> defects, especially spina bifida. It goes back to the poor diets of the
>> Iraqi people during the 1990s.
>>At 10:15 AM 4/18/07 -0700, John Jacobus wrote:
>>>Was that the only city reported on? Have
>>>epidemiological studies been performed in other large
>>>cities? What were the birth defect rates 5 years ago?
>>> You need to validate all of the data, not just
>>>cherry-pick the stuff that supports your position.
>>>As noted by the Michigan Department of Community
>>>"During 2003, there were 9,383 cases of birth defects
>>>reported for children under one year of age. This
>>>translates to an prevalence rate of 725.0 cases per
>>>10,000 resident live births. For children born during
>>>2002, there were 11,128 cases reported for children
>>>under 2 years of age for an prevalence rate was 869.3
>>>cases per 10,000 resident live births. The prevalence
>>>rate for 2 year olds based upon reported cases has
>>>been above 800 per 10,000 for the past three years and
>>>following a significant effort to improve reporting
>>>quality and completeness."
>>>I doubt there is much DU in Michigan.
>>>--- James Salsman <jsalsman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Why do you keep posting stuff about folate? Basrah
>>> > was the only place
>>> > in the vicinity reporting an increase in birth
>>> > defects.
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