AW: [ RadSafe ] Re: Radiation Hormesis

Thu Dec 27 16:51:55 CST 2007

I hope so!

Franz

Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Sandy Perle [mailto:sandyfl at gmail.com] Im Auftrag von Sandy Perle
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Dezember 2007 23:31
An: 'Franz Schönhofer'; 'Flanigan, Floyd'; 'Brennan, Mike (DOH)';
radsafe at radlab.nl
Betreff: RE: [ RadSafe ] Re: Radiation Hormesis

Franz,

I know Floyd and I do not believe that his statement was in any way
condoning the actions as you correctly point out in your post. I interpret
Floyd's comments only implying that there will never be consensus since it
is impossible to link animal studies as being the sole justification for
conclusions raised.

Regards,

Sandy

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-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On Behalf
Of Franz Schönhofer
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 1:58 PM
To: 'Flanigan, Floyd'; 'Brennan, Mike (DOH)'; radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: AW: [ RadSafe ] Re: Radiation Hormesis

Floyd,

I am very surprised to read this contribution from you and even more that
nobody opposed it. "The moratorium of buying human babies and raising them
in a clinically controlled environment...." Is this your kind of fun just
after christmas? To me it is disgusting and reminds me to the
Nazi-experiments on babies, twins etc. in the concentration camps which I
visited during the last years in Poland. 

Please, Floyd, enlighten me that this contribution was out of topic and
unacceptable.

Best wishes,

Franz

Franz Schoenhofer, PhD
MinRat i.R.
Habicherg. 31/7
A-1160 Wien/Vienna
AUSTRIA

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] Im Auftrag
von Flanigan, Floyd
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Dezember 2007 20:05
An: Brennan, Mike (DOH); radsafe at radlab.nl
Betreff: RE: [ RadSafe ] Re: Radiation Hormesis

Unfortunately, with the 35 some odd year period prior to some symptoms
expressing, and the moratorium on buying human babies and raising them
in a clinically controlled environment, definitive proof is hard to come
by. I am a firm supporter of Hormesis but with all of the other
environmental influences which can mask most true expressions of the
Hormetic Effect, I fear it will be a very long time before we see such a
study. I suppose it could be conducted on lab animals, but no matter
what evidence was produced, the nay-sayers would find their way back to
the fact that humans have a different physiology than the test subjects.
Hope may indeed spring eternal, but in this case it is in short supply.

Floyd W. Flanigan B.S.Nuc.H.P.
Health Physics Supervisor

-----Original Message-----
From: radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl [mailto:radsafe-bounces at radlab.nl] On
Behalf Of Brennan, Mike (DOH)
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 12:02 PM
To: radsafe at radlab.nl
Subject: RE: [ RadSafe ] Re: Radiation Hormesis

"All science is either physics or stamp collecting."      Ernest.
Rutherford

I am reminded of the story of a zoologist, biologist, and physicist each
being asked to discuss the most important aspects of elephants.  The
zoologist discussed the social aspects of the herd how elephants
interact with their environment.  The biologist discussed the huge
amount of food the elephant consumes and processes in which it is
processed.  The physicist gets up, thinks for a minute, and starts,
"Assume the elephant is a sphere..."

On the topic of hormesis; I would love for someone to do some definitive
research, well designed and meticulously controlled, that would address
both the claims and the criticisms.  I will even allow as to how I would
LOVE to have hormesis confirmed, if for no other reason than the
entertainment value of watching my friends in the EPA struggle with
setting maximum and minimum desired radon exposure levels.  Sadly, I
have yet to see anything about such research being done.  The hormesis
papers I've seen show as much evidence of cherry picking as the
anti-(fill in the blank for whatever you don't like) papers.  

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